JBJ has had vocal Surgery

Can we just get the ticket price bs out of the way? As much as I agree that ticket prices were absolutely ridiculous, every single person in that audience knew exactly what they were signing up for. Jon's vocal issues leading up to that last leg were no secret to anyone attending.

The high prices should be its own debate outside of Jon's voice.

Surgery is the last thing anyone wants so he thought he could fix it on his own by learning a new style and then when put through the test, he failed miserably.

From what I recall, people still managed to have an amazing time regardless. Between the arena acoustics and backing vocals, it's a much different experience than watching it on YouTube. And some songs were more tolerable than others.

I don't feel bad for anyone who attended and if that ruined your time, you need to check yourself.

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I get what you are saying, but it's called having a conversation. People are allowed to discuss both positives and negatives in everything in life, as well as voice their own opinions. I always want to hear both sides of any discussion good and bad, and debating that is half the fun of boards like this. I'm not interested in places where everyone thinks the sun shines out of Jon's ass. Nor am I interested in people that only want to focus on the negatives. I agree people shouldn't be attacked for being enthusastic (and there is a lot to get excited at the moment), but people should also not be attacked for having an opinion on something that isn't positive. Give and take.

Disagree. Yes, we the fans knew about it. But your average Bon Jovi concert attendee did not. Not everyone looks at live perfomances on YouTube. They might listend to the greatest hits album. The press didn't really pick up on Jon's voice issues until the 2022 tour. That's when it became common knowledge that something was wrong.

Some people did I'm sure. But even as far back as the last UK tour a lot of peoople I know came out of that thinking "Wow, Jon's voice is shot" and will not be going to see the band again as a result.

There is a massive difference between die hard fans like us and more casual fans.

All those people who you are referring to are the people who watch the YouTube videos. Very few people who actually attend, post on here and the ones that did were generally positive.

Sure, his voice sucked but the show was still a good time was the power phrased general opinion.

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Nonsense - casual fans don't go on YouTube and search for bands videos recorded on some dodgy phone camera. They have no interest in that. That's what fans like us do.

Not sure where you are getting all these positive reviews from? I certainly didn't see many from the 2022 tour...unless you are talking about the heavily edited comments on the band official social media pages...

Up until the 2013 tour, many casuals in Europe didn't notice. They didn't come back more than one time in the last 11 years to the stadiums here and in 2019, both press and fan reviews of European shows were much more mixed. Sure, there were those who thought Jon was brilliant, but then again, there are certain Jovi followers who called the 2022 shows (everyone knows who I mean) "the best Jon has ever been!".
In 2019, it went off a cliff early into the stadium tour so far that even press reviews around here gave him backlash. Some shows were decent, others became shocking. There it came to the point where it just wasn't to hide anymore.
For example, after the Munich concert, there was a bigger fan meeting outside the stadium and opinions varied greatly from "I've had a great time" to "I couldn't enjoy parts of it because it was so bad". And all of them had just walked out of the concert. I also think that it's harder on musician's ears than on casual listeners. Not bashing the latter, but the first usually tend to hear when one is off key, the drummer misses a beat or Jon is always behind the rhythm.
Forming an opinion of the 30 some users that post here regularly is quite hard. Some bash everything, for others Jon can do no wrong anyway. There's not much a middle ground here.

The worst thing for me is actually when Jon looks like he is in pain, or just not enjoying trying to sing. I'm not sure that I could enjoy a concert when the singer looks to be having an awful time. That's the positive thing about last weeks perfomance, he looked much more comfortable with the singing. So let's see what happens...

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That's mostly because this is an American band doing on American documentary on an American platform, so they'll focus on the American succes. The band had several massive hits in the nineties, even in America, but as for relevance, there wasn't any.

I know I'm exaggerating here, but it's been pretty obvious that despite the massive worldwide succes of Bon Jovi in the nineties, their focus has mostly been at the USA since the return of Crush. Yes, they did several massive world tours, but if a song and/or album wasn't a succes in the States it would be dropped from the set and would be never mentioned again. This happened both with These Days and then again with Bounce while both records were pretty popular back when they were released.

I also don't think there's a lot to talk about in regards to the These Days tour. It was a great tour, backed with a great album that did really well everywhere. What else is there to talk about? There wasn't any drama, there weren't any issues, the band was happy. I'd love them to talk about how they felt touring the world in the nineties but it's really not that interesting for everyone else.

Further on, in the nineties, the band played everywhere because demand in the States wasn't there. However, in the past few decades it was only once they'd saturated certain markets in the States and Europe that they'd expand to other places they hadn't visited before. Just look at the North American legs for the Bounce, HAND, The Circle and Lost Highway tour and then compare them to other places. Their focus has always been the American market, even when the music industry in Europe was more interesting. Once the pop fad faded and guitar bands made a comeback, Bon Jovi still invested in pop music, because that's what America cared for.

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I'm not questioning the reasoning, I get it. But in the 90's their focus definitely shifted to the rest of the world rather than america and there is a story to be told about them doing 3 nights at wembley and knocking Michael Jackson off of no. 1 etc when they couldn't get arrested in America.

And things were not as rosey in the Bon Jovi camp in the 90's as everyone is led to believe, particuarly between Jon and Richie, but that's not common knowldge and will be brushed under the carpet of course.

So there are stories there, it just doesn't fit their narrative, and they will of course focus on their most successful periods as thats what most people will want to hear. But you run the risk of just repeating all the storied there that the hardcore fans have already heard, so it will be less interesting for the likes of us at that point.

First of all, kudos to Jon for finally opening up about this. He said it "became a public knowledge", but I don't think it was. It was a speculation only.

Glad he was able to find a doctor to help him out.

By listening to some snippets like this one, you can really hear that he is doing a lot better and has more confidence in opening up his throat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lmv...B4%B4%E1%B4%B0

He still has ways to go before it gets to an acceptable level, but this now sounds like he is back to 2015. voice at least.