Jon and his "wisdom" - Part 3.

It's called evolution - quality keeps getting better. Otherwise we'd still be listening to music through gramophones...

No one wants you to buy an ipod - that's just one more option you have. You can even download songs from the Apple music store without an ipod, just using iTunes. It's made lots of people switch from illegally downloading music to downloading it very legally.

Doesn't Jon get his royalties for every song of his downloaded that way?

Yes Ice I do know that but I still would have to buy an MP3 player. My point really was that I got what Jon was talking about that instead of spending their money on artists and their development the labels choose to spend it trying to sell me music in yet another format. I'm not coplaining about the evoluttion Keeper, I do realise that it keeps moving on,but I will question the quality. I've heard alot of downloaded songs and an awful lot of them are crappy. And as cool as it is to have 10,000 songs at my fingertips, I've got to say that I would miss even the limited art that is on cd coversif we went strictly to digital downloads. That was one of the only bad things about the demise of vinyl the album art, it was great and fun. And yes I would assume that JBJ gets paid for legal downloads. But I don't think he's talking about the money involved in it,I belive it was Seb that was obsessed with the money thing. And before you all start screaming of course the band want to get paid- they should it's their work. I think he was talking about how an album is created as a mark of time, when you put it on you're immediately there. It's hard to explain particularly to younger people (no offense intended) who have never had that. Sorry Ice but we bought albums or cds all through the 80s and into the 90s- singles were released to promote albums not to replace them. Here in the States you can't buy singles much unless you order them online. We don't get "B" sides, we get albums (CDS).

Of course there are crappy mp3s around. Mp3 doesn't imply perfection but the quality of a standard mp3 file is certainly not bad, not to mention you can squeeze more mp3 songs into discs than you can .wav songs.

And as for buying whole albums or just individual songs - well that's just depends on the person. I personally prefer whole albums but what if I like only one given song by a given band? Up to now if the song wasn't made a single - there have been singles all along and no one has complained about that - you could either buy the whole album or download the song illegally. As of late - and bering in mind the current price of an album - people opted for downloading illegally, which was ruining the music industry. Now instead people can do both things - getting the whole album or just a song - legally and the music industry gets its due. It's just a change of concept to try and adapt things to how matters stand. If I was Jon I'd be quite grateful, I think.

So, we're left to just accepting these so-called delusions that Seb continues to attempt to pass off as fact:
1) Jon's an idiot. ou
2) SuperSonic is always right
3) If you agreed with Jon, youre an idiot too.
4) If you diasgree with SuperSonic, yoyu're an idiot.
5) If you agree with Jon, you're a lame backstager
6) If you disagree with SuperSonic, you're a lame backstager
7) If you come to this site and you're a newbie and don't realize that unless you're part of SuperSonic's little clique and post Seb-approved tira, ndes relentlessly complaining about Bon Jovi (make note to particularly demonize Jon at all possible junctures) you're unwelcome, you will receive a scathingly, nasty baptism by fire into this site.
8) SuperSonic knows music better than the band
9) SuperSonic knows how to manage the band's career better than the band
10) A complete intolerance for all things Bon Jovi and the excessive need to find fault with anything you can is actually a good clue you don't really like Bon Jovi anymore and its' time to move on...
11) Did we mention Jon's the devil? And SuperSonic is all-knowing?
12) Good luck backing all this internet talk up when you get the chance to sit and rap with the band and offer your insights into what they should do to make you happy... they wouldn't have a beer with you.

That's just it Keeper I don't think he was being ungrateful, i think he was just pointing out, from his pespective some of the downsides of downloads. You're right it is cool to be able to get just one song if it's the only one you like on an album, but the question is why is that the only good song on the album? Until a few years ago (most of the time anyway) a band went in the studio and crafted 10,12,or14 songs that flowed well together, created a mood, an attitude, a story and released an album with certain songs (airplay friendly) as singles used to promote the album. Now with the exception of the older bands most new material is 2 or 3 singles with filler in between, because it's meant to be downloaded as individual songs not as an album. Making an album is an art form and one that could easily get left behind. Personally, I think there is room for both, but if labels push for singles only and keep dong the crap job they have in recent years of promoting albums, who knows?

Do you think anyone still reads your long, silly posts?

Derek, take it easy darlin'. Go back and read through the posts and i think you'll find that most of us disagreed with Seb and in our own ways endevoured to tell him that his constant rant and ripping of Jon was getting old. Who knows whether he'll listen but Darlin' aren't you just playing into his hands with such an angry reaction? Seems to me that's what he wants because if he can make you angry he thinks he can make you look stupid and himself look good. Take a breath there and make your points and let it be. Just a suggestion, no judgement intended.

I never said he was. I think he sounded reluctant and hesitant if you ask me. But still I think he should be more - maybe grateful wasn't the word - but you know, more into it. It's supposedly the future of the music business. And they've sort of jumped into with that AXS Platinum thingy, which is about songs, not albums. Okay, those are not for downloading, but you get my point.

Angry? Not moi.
Laughing and mocking. Absolutely.
And I'm rolling my eyes - but won't demonstarte it via emoticons (which I find retarded.)

I think he is hesitant and unsure about it because he's worried about losing something he loves, albums. Plus by his own admission he's not someone who takes to change well. He's more of a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" kind of guy. Still, I think he'll come around to it, particularly if the labels get a better handle on contollling whats put out there and can keep it legal.