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Old 02-11-2014, 04:49 PM
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How can you tell Richie's heart is in the music? If it comes down to the last album, I see that it's begging for success. It even has a formulaic "we got it going on" in sugar daddy, and many BJ signature moves for success.
Aftermath is a album bravest, What About Now and The Circle is not.

In an album of Bon Jovi, you never hear songs like Burn The Candle Down, Seven Years Gone or You Can Only Get So High. Nor hear screaming guitars in the mix by BJ albums as Broken Wings or Backseat Driver.

I doubt Richie pursued a hit as desperately as Jon does. Richie in the album, he faces his past, is an album that speaks about himself and his own demons. Sugar Daddy is not "We Got It Going On", if you think it is, it is your problem , this song is a nod to the style of Black Keys and Arties Monkeys , of course you need not to like it, but it has nothing with "We Got it Going On", and besides , it's more fun on live .

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I don't think it's as simple as you say.

I honestly believe that Jon is so aware that he just can't deliver vocally anymore that he doesn't even try to make great records, he's just milking the cow until it's dead dry.

Bon Jovi's always been about great big vocal hooks, they just can't be here anymore. Sure, there are exceptions here and there in a few songs but the powerful anthems were they thing.
You give me the reason for this, his heart is in the money. To compose a great song or make an amazing performance, not need that you have a great voice of a 20-30 year old guy.

The voice is not the problem of Bon Jovi, open your eyes my friend, the problem are shit's compositions inspired by greed.
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this song is a nod to the style of Black Keys and Arties Monkeys , of course you need not to like it, but it has nothing with "We Got it Going On", and besides , it's more fun on live .
So when Richie is chasing the sound of modern hit makers its brave, when Jon does it he's the devil?
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So when Richie is chasing the sound of modern hit makers its brave, when Jon does it he's the devil?
Richie's songs inspired by artists/band that like much. Jon does the same, but not necessarily love the songs. He pursues an actual success.

Amen is a song that Jon love, without a doubt. But I can not say the same of other songs, What About Now.

Jon is very lost when it comes to writing/composing / producing an album.
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Richie's songs inspired by artists/band that like much. Jon does the same, but not necessarily love the songs. He pursues an actual success.
That's not the point. You accuse Jon of chasing succes, doing it out of greed, while Richie's pretty much doing the same thing but with songs you like, so it seems to be ok with you.

Both Undiscovered Soul and Aftermath of the Lowdown are very safe, and often bland records. No real edge on them at all, and produced almost as safe as possible, just in a different genre. Richie's still trying to please to the masses though and tries the same formula Jon uses on a different genre. So why is it ok when Richie does it, but wrong when Jon does it?

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Jon is very lost when it comes to writing/composing / producing an album.
Yeah, because Aftermath was such a brilliant, consistent record. At least half of it is drivel, instantly forgettable, just like with What About Now.

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Old 02-11-2014, 05:32 PM
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Was It's My Life a necessary evil to ensure the band's survival or the first nail in the coffin for Bon Jovi in terms of creativity?
Regarding the survival part that may be discussed, and that matter has been talked about on numerous occasions. About the first nail in the coffin regarding creativity, it's only my biased opinion but I still answer that one with a resounding "yes".
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:36 PM
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That's not the point. You accuse Jon of chasing succes, doing it out of greed, while Richie's pretty much doing the same thing but with songs you like, so it seems to be ok with you.

Both Undiscovered Soul and Aftermath of the Lowdown are very safe, and often bland records. No real edge on them at all, and produced almost as safe as possible, just in a different genre. Richie's still trying to please to the masses though and tries the same formula Jon uses on a different genre. So why is it ok when Richie does it, but wrong when Jon does it?
Easy. Because I like the songs, the end comes down to this, and I always find the composition / writing / production most authentic and interesting than the last work of Jovi.

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Yeah, because Aftermath was such a brilliant, consistent record. At least half of it is drivel, instantly forgettable, just like with What About Now.
Not for me.
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Aftermath is a album bravest, What About Now and The Circle is not.

In an album of Bon Jovi, you never hear songs like Burn The Candle Down, Seven Years Gone or You Can Only Get So High. Nor hear screaming guitars in the mix by BJ albums as Broken Wings or Backseat Driver.
I disagree. I only think that about Seven Years Gone. WAN has The fighter, kinda has a vibe like YCOGSH, only that being a shittier song. Screaming guitars in Backseat driver? Sure, a Japan bonus track. Bon Jovi had lots of screaming guitars in songs that weren't in the record. Besides, those guitars are really held back for a GUITARIST album.

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I doubt Richie pursued a hit as desperately as Jon does. Richie in the album, he faces his past, is an album that speaks about himself and his own demons.
Yeah, in two songs. So much for those long years of mourning.


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Sugar Daddy is not We Got It Going On, if you think it is, it is your problem , this song is a nod to the style of Black Keys and Arties Monkeys , of course you need not to like it, but it has nothing with "We Got it Going On", and besides , it's more fun on live .
It's the same shit party song style. It's definitely fitting for "AFTERMATH OF THE LOWDOWN". I seriously doubt he put it there because he wanted a party song. And it being more fun live? No way, listening to Richie telling all the old hags in the show that he was a good sugar daddy and stuff before performing this song was cringe worthy.



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You give me the reason for this, his heart is in the money. To compose a song or make an amazing performance, not need that you have a great voice of a 20-30 year old guy.
This is where I disagree the most with you. If you've been churning out hit after hit with huge vocals and choruses, what makes you think it's easy or even possible for you to make great songs fitting your nowadays noexistant voice? Not everyone has that kind of talent.
Even Jon said that he always made the mistake of writing "too high". Guess what happens when you wrote "too high" and then tune it down? What we have, powerless songs, could've beens.


Even though I've always respected and admired Richie more than Blondie, he has really let me down musically, being sloppy as hell. Add to that he is losing lots of voice and you have a letdown just as much as his ex partner is. Add to that all the evasive answers about his departure, using his daughter for alibi, when it was obviously something else for such a sudden event. Sad to see.

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Then finally, what about?, Jon wins because is more cool and has the number 1 tour?. That does not count for me when I hear music in my headphones.
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Then finally, what about?, Jon wins because is more cool and has the number 1 tour?. That does not count for me when I hear music in my headphones.
This has nothing to do with anything that was said in this entire thread.
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:13 PM
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This has nothing to do with anything that was said in this entire thread.
You have reason, we have strayed too far from the subject.

Before, the voice of Jon & Richie was the voice of Bon Jovi. They should set a wider margin of maneuver in the next record, no Billy Falcon, no Shanks, no Darrell Brown, no Carlson, no Max Martin, no Desmond Child. Only the band with a rock producer.
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