Jon & Richie on "Soundcheck" tonight

i see it more of just selling! but maybe there is a method to the madness! if they end up selling an extra million albums from it then i dout it would be selling out! and i know the christian population in american can be pretty vocal and supportive! if no a bit idiotic

Well that's exactly it my man. They're are going on a show like this as a cheap ploy to gain support from the right wing christian country fan who might never contemplate buying a Bon Jovi album since they make Godless, devil worshiping heavy metal (that was suppose to be stupid for the irony to ring true lest anybody overly sensitive takes offense) in order to sell a million more albums. Selling out, quite like their Oprah appearance. If they simply sell themselves on the basis of their music, they're not selling out, when they do things like this, they are.

maybe but in this day and age you do have to use all media outlets in order to sell ur music! which includes maybe going a different direction for advertising! im sure they will be putting there music and not there religious ideas forward in doing so! selling out meh!

now if he was doing the aftershave thing without the charity behind it than that is selling out!

How so?

First of all, Jon did say that, as a matter of fact. Do a search, I'm sure it's not hard to find or someone here I'm sure will be able to dig it up.

Secondly, your right, anyone who does believe that is an idiot, and a delusional one at that but the catholic church's teaching is very clear, or at least it was until a few months ago when they shone the worlds biggest light on the stupidity and shamelessly made-up nature of their entire belief system. All children and everybody who ever lived before Christ died to forgive our sins goes (went) to limbo. This was a place not as bad as hell but a place where no soul would ever know God, and they were stranded there for eternity. It was a story they made up to scare people into indoctrinating their newborns into the religion. Other Christian religions did not buy into it as there is no mention of Limbo in the bible. However last year they decided, after months of deliberation, that limbo no longer existed and all the souls of babies unbaptized could go to heaven, nothing was said about those who weren't babies, presumably they went to hell I suppose. Interesting how they could decide something that has existed since the dawn of man (was that 6,000 years ago?) no longer existed simply by changing their minds. Hmm, says a lot, don't it?

I agree about using many outlets to sell your music but that's not what they're doing here. They're selling an image. By going on a Christian network, and a christian show, they are not putting their music out in the forefront, they are putting their religious inclinations forward in order to win support. That's completely different.

ok please dnt let this turn into another religion debate! that is untill its moved over to the NBJ part of the site! i still waiting to see how the christian how goes! lol


as for limbo and the unborn babies! i believe that would fall into the puritory stage! thats been around for a while! i believe the teaching is all souls go there before they reach heaven. i was never taught babies unbaptised go to hell! i maybe wrong on a few points but restrat the religion thread in NBJ if u wish to continue

there u go! thread open! iv been in the mood for a religion debate 2 lol!

1. Your statement was uninformed because Catholicism doesn't even fit under the definition of a cult.

2. If Jon did say that, too bad.

3. The Catholic Church never believed in limbo. It was something proposed by many, but never taken up by the church. What they did last year was clarify their stance on the matter by saying there wasn't one.

I went to Catholic High school and was raised a Catholic. I find church to be archaic and I see as many problems with church doctrine as you do. However, the prevaling idea in the church simply isn't as BLACK/WHITE as you make it to be. The majority do not believe unborn babies go straight to hell.

I'll criticize the church and their hollow traditions for many things. I will not, however, tolerate misinformed arguments. Which is why I had to intervene.

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To get back on topic, if Bon Jovi went on Al-Jazeera some people here would be claiming how they're trying to bring an olive branch. Now when they do something far more natural to them it's a "sell out." Give me a break.

ok ppl take it to the thread i just set up!! iv already stared it for u! lol

as for selling out! i still dont see it Butters! again of course we have to wait untill the interview is shown! but i think they are just going on television to show there music (just happenes to be christian show) its the auidence they are looking to attract! it makes sense to preach to some so to speak lol. Bon Jovi just happen to be christian people! but the msuic is main aim id say!

again wont know untill we see it

You're absolutely right because the Catholic church is tax exempt which defines it as a church and not a cult. The dictionary defines a cult as this:

1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

Every one of those is applicable to every church. The only difference between a church and a cult is time and tax exemption.

Not at all, he was quite right to say what he did, as any morally sound person would agree. Hell, even the Catholic Church themselves finally agree by aboloshing the whole idea.

Absolutely wrong. It was common teaching by the church for over 700 years. And there were two forms of limbo. There was the limbo of the fathers (limbus patrum), where great people of faith like Abraham and Moses and the prophets who lived before Jesus awaited Jesus’ redemptive death and resurrection. This limbo was eliminated when Jesus came to lead all these people to heaven.

Most Catholics, however, were more familiar with the limbo of infants (limbus infantium), where unbaptized babies were destined to remain forever. The Catholic Church fabricated the teaching of limbo in order to justify its continual ritualistic involvement in the life of Catholic families.

It doesn't matter if 99% of Catholics don't (didn't) believe in Limbo, the fact is the catholic church's teaching was explicitly clear.
Same thing goes for the transubstantiation. I doubt every Catholic at Mass on Sunday literally believes that the piece of bread they're eating, and the wine they are drinking, is literally turning into the flesh and blood of Christ by virtue of the priest say a few latin phrases, and they are then cannibalizing their saviour yet that's exactly what the Catholic church says happens and therefore any self professed Catholic should believe it.

You clearly need to intervene on yourself because you are completely wrong.

Yeah that's fair enough, and if it turns out that way and I'm wrong, then great, but the fact that they are going on a Christian network shows that they are targeting one specific market.