Aloha !
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Originally Posted by Kuba80BJ
You know, the more I read some of the comments here of the people saying Jon can’t be tired, the main reason I see from you is MONEY!!! Let me get it straight. For you the problem is that you are working as hard (in your opinion even much harder) than Jon, yet you get far less money than he does, am I right? So you can complain and he can’t? You know what’s that called – jealousy. Nothing else!
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No, not really, like usual, you're missing the point (again).
No one is bitching about how much money Jon makes. People just say he has no right to complain when he makes that much money and chooses to be in a situation like that. He has all the money in the world, yet he chooses to work so many hours. If he doesn't enjoy that and all he can do is complain, then why bother? Can you point me to the last interview where Jon was talking about how much fun he had at any certain point of the last tour?
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What about your bosses? Do you also get upset that they get 10 or 50 times more money than you do?
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No. Never. My boss has a lot of responsibilty, works more hours than I do and created his business out of nothing. I can understand why he gets more money; he put more effort into the job than I do. I'm just a hired hand. And this makes this:
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I bet you also claim that you work harder than your own boss and he gets the cream of everything and you get paid lousy dollars working for his/hers success. So I say again – why don’t you start running your own business if it’s so damn easy? Whether it’s a world known band like Bon Jovi, or computer company like Microsoft by Gates or anything else that you find interesting? If you’re good enough you’ll get big money but what you do not know is that with great money comes great sacrifice. You go to bed with your company’s ups and downs and you wake up with it every morning. You can’t just clock out and go home and don’t care. Mentally your company is like a tattoo in your mind, you can’t get it out just like that. And if you f*** up you don’t get any money, but you are always obliged to pay your employees first. They have to get the money for their job and if there’s something left for you, that’s great. But if there’s nothing that’s only your problem. Again, the one that you go to bed with. While your employees go home happy with their money and relax after work. But it always becomes a hot topic when someone gets successful. But no one remembers the beginnings of big companies, how hard it was and how much the leaders, CEO’s, Presidents or whatever you call them had to sacrifice to reach a certain level of success.
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all pointless. Because my boss doesn't complain about all of this. Jon does. Jon isn't just stating a fact, he's constantly moaning on how tired he is of this, or of that. Last week at my job we all worked 70 hours or more in 5 days. My boss worked 90. Did we complain? No, never. Because we all choose to do this. Just like Jon chooses to do his.
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Originally Posted by Kuba80BJ
I am really sick and tired of posts like this reading how poor you are. You are trying to compare your incomes to Jons’ but have you tried to compare yours to the people living in for example China, Africa or hell even my country? For them your incomes are on the same level Jons’ incomes are for you. I don’t think that a person in China works any less than you and yet they get probably about $1/per day (or even less) and you get probably about $10/per hour or more.
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Show me one post in this topic where people say they complain on how poor they are. 1 post. And what the **** do people from China have to do with this? You're going completely off track here. Someone from Chinca or Africa doesn't have a choice in life. We do, so what's this got to do with anything?
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The thing is that no matter how much money you get for your job, you get tired in the same way. If someone gives you shovel and tells you to dig a 10m deep hole, will you be less tired at the end when you receive $10 or $10 million? Jon has the full right to be tired as much as any other person in world. The fact that he gets hundreds of thousands of dollars per show does not change a thing. He’s almost in his 50 and fatigue shows much more than 20 years ago for him. That’s something even his dollars can’t prevent. His band is his job, and no matter how great it is, it also has it’s routines. And every routine becomes boring and tiring after some time. We all know how it looks like for Jon on the road – plane, hotel, interview, show, hotel, plane, hotel, interview, show, hotel…..and it’s like that for weeks. And you say – but he gets to sleep in 5-star hotels, he has his own jet, he plays only 2 hour shows – that’s easy and it’s not tiring, and it’s so exciting. Bullshit. For him 5-star hotels are nothing special because he gets to sleep only is such hotels (and probably his home looks even better) so it’s become a routine
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Once again, it doesn't matter. He's complaining about it. If he doesn't enjoy it, don't do it. Because once again, he chooses to do all this.
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he has his own jet because that’s the only way to do so many shows in such short period of time, he does 2 hour shows but also does sound checks, promos and he has 30 years of not stop singing in his throat.
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His own jet was bought to not having to spend time in a tourbus. He chooses to fly instead of just driving to a show on a tourbus. He chooses the long waits at the airport as he prefers them over spending time on a tourbus. Jon doesn't do soundchecks at every show and even if he does they usually last about 30 minutes and that's it. As to promo's; he does about 2 weeks of promo and that's it. He's off for 2/3 of the year, which means he doesn't sing for 2/3 of the year either. Stop exaggerating, just because Jon says he does all this doesn't mean it's true.
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The only difference between Jon and most of other CEO or owners of companies is that Jon is doing interviews all the time, answering the same damn questions, including ‘What it’s like to be on the road? Do you still enjoy it?’ etc. – and you are following every single interview. Same questions, different journalists, different countries. This for sure can become boring and tiring. All the time, throughout his whole career. Only thing that is different is Jon’s age and experience.
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Jon doesn't do that many interviews. He hates them and tries to stay out of them as much as possible. With every album release he does about 20 and that's it, with most of them lasting about 10 minutes.
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And again, you just make a big deal out of simple information – he feels tired and needs a break. These are the signals his human’s body is giving – you have to slow down, I am not as young and strong as I used to be. And that’s all it is and I agree with him – they need a break. Their bodies need break. From the music point of view I think they are doing just fine. The Circle is still an amazing album for me and I wish they’d write more albums like that in the future.
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My dad is older than he is, has worked more hours in his life than Jon will ever do and he isn't saying that he's tired either. He doesn't have 2/3 of the year off either. And he certainly can't take 1 year off just because "his body is giving in". ****ing bollocks that.
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If he lied you’d call him a liar again. He’s honest and it’s also wrong and he’s a rich moaner. But in my opinion none of you would have balls big enough to stand in his shoes every day. Trash talking on the internet is very easy, but when it comes to action everyone hides their head in the sand and finds a great excuse why he/she can’t do this or that. And that’s why Jon gets big money for his work and you don’t.
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Jon gets big money for his work because he wrote great songs about 15 years ago and because people are still willing to go to the shows based upon those songs. Not because he's such a great CEO because he does a lousy job at it. Nevertheless, no one is complaining about how Jon gets more money, that's just a thing that's in your head. All everyone is saying is that Jon has no right to complain. He can do whatever he wants to do. Including not doing anything. And we can't, yet he complains and we don't. So don't bring Africa and China into this debate or discussion because that makes your argument only more invalid. Try to read people's post more carefully before you form your opinion on things instead of coming here rambling with an opinion formed on people simply because you disagree with them yet can't make any argument against what they're saying.
Salaam Aleikum,
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