Jons change in voice since the 90's........

BobbyJovi · #41 11-28-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Just because you get carried away and are incapable of hearing a bad vocal doesn't mean that others are as well.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Here we go the mr know it all about vocals is back.
How would you know?There's a reason why jbj is up there every night and your in front of your pc every night.

BobbyJovi · #42 11-28-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gazthomas

look at the always version played on the MSG DVD when he sings 'ill be there till the stars dont shine.....' he isnt even pronouncing the words, it sounds very babyish and he must know what he is doing. he tries to overcompensate his lack of power with that awful nasily voice that basicaslly ruins the song. he does it all the time not just during always.

looks like now the music comes second to the enterprise. as jon said himself the show is the 'easy part' even though he struggles his way through at least 30% of the songs.

would he be smoking an taking less care of his voice if he wernt as successful, or is he now not arsed about music and more interested in the longevity of his buisness.

i always thought bon jovi, especially jon, were down to earth people with everyday lives, thoughts and values but after watching the bonus DVD when we were beutiful jon almosts gloats at how he has built his empire and how the band just do as there told. Really i have little respect for him now, he seems to be just another Gene Simmons (albit on a lower scale )

That's cool.Well the listen to your cds' and don't go to the shows if you think he's shite.

BobbyJovi · #43 11-28-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Matrix15

What I noticed is that after the NJ tour he wasn't able to do that really high raw voice that he did in the prayer chorus but his voice was still exceptional, it sounded more mature and trained than in the eighties. After TD (arguably his best vocals) There was a very long period where he hardly used his voice until it was time for recording crush. When he promoted DA he was singing in a really low voice and smoking too meaning a bit of a decline in his voice.

Watch one of the occasional performances Always live in 2001: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS8ry...ayer_embedded#

His voice still sounds quite good here so I don't think he'd lost all that ability by 2001, he'd still use the howling scream in OWN. But as Bounce and HAND wore on his voice relied more and more and production effects and nasal singing to get him through. If you watch complicated live in 2005 his voice has much less power and a bit nasally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9FO1Jr0TYc

I heard he smoked menthol cigarettes in the LH tour to try and preserve his voice, dunno if thats true

But it was noticably better then HAND if you compare performances of Dry County from 2006 and 2008.

So if you can't be bothered to read all that, I'd put it down to:
1. The smoking assisted gradual deteriation.
2. Jon most likely didn't spend time getting training for his voice.
3. From 1997 - 2000 he didn't sing live much and when he did it was usually in a low voice.
4. From 2003 + the nasally voice really kicked in to help him hit the high notes.
5. As you age your voice can lose power.

Hi there's a singer in asutralia by the name of John "the voice"Farnham who would be almost 60 now and he smokes 2 packets a day but still sounds phenomenal so smoking may not be the cause.

Wrath Mania · #44 11-28-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyJovi

Here we go the mr know it all about vocals is back.
How would you know?There's a reason why jbj is up there every night and your in front of your pc every night.

Do everyone a favor and stop interrupting a completely fine, calm and progressive discussion with your thoughtless sycophant remarks, your annoying imbecile grammar, and your thoughtless, sycophantic, annoying and, yes, imbecile 'humor'. It's bringing down a lot of good threads.

BobbyJovi · #45 11-28-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gazthomas

what a shame though i know he can sing it correctly, im 100% sure. but he needs to preserve that voice due to its fragile state due to smoking etc....

some studio songs have good vocals, ok not TD standard but im sure you will agree that at least 1 sng from ever album can showcase jons ability to sing, and still be acclaimed as one of the best 'vocalists' rock has seen!

but his whole attitude is wrong, the rest of the band thrive for the live stage, especially richie as seen in the recent bonus DVD, yet he seems restrained during studio time. but let him loose n the stage and hes as good as he has ever been. that man is a GOD!

jon though is on the other end of the scale these days it seems he thrives more off stage with business, meetings and being the 'CEO of a major enterprise' (personally when i type this i feel sick, what a ****in loser. doesnt he remember the past 20 years when he would pay to play in a phone box, now he expects the fans to TOUR to him on his TOUR and pay £200+ for a half arsed concert where 50% of the crowd arent jovi fans and sipping champagne.

jon really is making the workin man work these days... sorry for the pun but hes one giant arse and need to wake up. he has all the money he needs, why cant he help the fans for once???

This is the best post i seen in a while.

BobbyJovi · #46 11-28-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania

Do everyone a favor and stop interrupting a completely fine, calm and progressive discussion with your thoughtless sycophant remarks, your annoying imbecile grammar, and your thoughtless, sycophantic, annoying and, yes, imbecile 'humor'. It's bringing down a lot of good threads.

The only thing that it's bringing down is you.So move along.

Wrath Mania · #47 11-28-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyJovi

The only thing that it's bringing down is you.So move along.

Hoho, touche! I must say, I'm not sure what some of you noobs think qualifies as wit, but you might want to spend a few years working on it. Who knows? Maybe in the process you'll become more sophisticated when it comes to judging things like music. Just a thought; I'm here to help.

Just listened to Always from Lisbon, it still blows away the boring-ass version they did at MSG; Jon did strain a bit towards the end of the song at that show, but there was passion and energy; I don't care if his voice cracks if there's that visceral feeling. Unfortunately, he only puts that out now and then. Certainly not in North America...

jesyjames · #48 11-28-2009, 11:48 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I wonder how much more post 2000 stuff I would like better if Jon could sing at all like he used to.

I think what the past 10 years have taught me is that more than anything I was a fan of Jon's voice, more than I was of the band's music. And now that the voice isn't nearly as good, I don't enjoy the music as much. And for me it's not really even about the high notes.. it was about the warmth and the tone of his voice. Listen to how he sang Wanted on the Evening with Bon Jovi disk from 1992 then compare to anything post 96. Yikes.

I remember reading or hearing an interview with Richie right around when Crush came out and he was so proud of how Jon sang on 2 Story Town, saying "he couldn't of sung that a few years ago." I found that ironic and sad.

And it's not only Jon that doesn't sound all that great. Heard Richie lately? He really sounds strained more often than not these days and sometimes just flat out misses notes.

I'd pay good money to know what Jon thinks about his own singing these days, what the band thinks about it, and if they are at all aware/care that a large portion of his core audience is well aware of it.

kenobi_on_a_prayer · #49 11-28-2009, 12:04 PM

*adds BobbyJovi to ignore list*
****, I remember the good old days when BTR was the only guy on there.

Man I'd love to have the opportunity to interview Jon about his voice; not to tear strips into him, but just to hear him reflect on the change in his own words.

I also hear flying pigs are cheap these days.

RichieW2001 · #50 11-28-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jesyjames

And it's not only Jon that doesn't sound all that great. Heard Richie lately? He really sounds strained more often than not these days and sometimes just flat out misses notes.

I've seen an improvement since 2007/08 in Richie's voice. I remember watching the Stripped concert and thinking how terrible his voice was and it really put me off picking out his harmonies all throughout the Lost Highway tour.

Seeing some of the recent performances, he has that wailing high-end back after he was reduced to a dull growl for a couple of years.

I don't think we're being fair in our comparison of performances though. The sound and mix has varied greatly recently across all of the shows; ITAS sounded great because it had a very polished sound, similiar to the AOL sessions, whereas The Today Show sounded dreadful because the vocal mix was all over the place.

I'll wait until I see some full concert performances where their sound guys are in control before I form any big opinions about how they're sounding at the minute.

Jons change in voice since the 90's........

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