Jon's Voice

Stone deaf wrote: Ever hear Ian Gillan live?

Gillan once was Amazing but the last few years he often(not all the time) sounds like shit...

But Two singers who are very close to 60 and still are amazing and better than ever are Mr Paul Rodgers(Free, Bad Company) And Mr David Bowie and Mr Bowie smokes a lot and sings better than he ever has.... Those two guys are simply outstanding!

Ever hear Bryan Adams live? He's older then Jon and sounds better live than he does on the albums.

First of all, what the hell are you talking about, you absolute gimp!

You're right, will power dose not work. Not at all, but then again, I never made any mention whatsoever about will power. And even IF more people are prone to addictions, that dosen't change the fact that anyone can quit.


No, I'm not even close to being an expert on this, did I even say that? No. I've only started studing these things. I understand the methods but it's the experts who can commucincate it perfectly.


Again, you clearly didn't read a thing I said. Nicotine is a drug and when you get addicted to any drug, you need it to feel "normal" but it only takes three weeks for the nicotine to dissapear from your body and after that your brain no longer craves it. After that it's simply habbit and as I said, one reason people smoke inspite of what they know is due to the fact they are getting a positive gain. In Jon's case, relaxation, and again as I said, nicotine is a stimulint which speeds up your heart rate and dose the exact opposite to relaxing you. You are becoming relaxed in spite of it because you are breathing slowly and deeply. Soon enough you anchor that feeling of relaxation to smoking and the just idea of smoking can put you in that state. What you do is replace that positive gain and make the person realise that they can relax even more deeply and even quicker without the need for smoking. Same is true for people who take drugs to get high. You can get yourself "higher" then any drug simply by using your mind.


You absolute gimp. The scary thing is, electro shock therapy still is in use and that's why I hate the methods used in physciatry. They're so ****ing ridiculous and go against all understanding for how the brain works. A great way to link pain to a singer like Jon is to link the mere idea of a cigarette to the feeling of being out on stage infront an audience and performing badly and letting down massive amounts of fans. That I'm sure would cause Jon alot of emotional pain and everything a person dose is out of the need to avoid pain and the desire to gain peasure. Now he may link a cetain amount of pleasure to smoking but he would link even greater amounts of pain to letting his fans down and the mind will always do more to avoid pain then to gain pleasure and that's one fundemental way to get a person to quit an unproductive behaviour forever.

There's a great story of a famous guy in America (his name escapes me now) who was a 60 a day smoker and one day he just quit and fifteen years later, he hasn't smoked since. Why? Because that one day he quit his 6 year old daughter came in to him crying her eyes out saying "Daddy I don't want you to die". Long story short she had been taught in school that smoking can kill you and she pointed to her fathers lit cigarette crying and saying, "I don't want you to die. I want you to see me getting married". Right then he stopped linking great amounts of pleasure to smoking and in it's place he linked smoking to his daughter suffering massive levels of pain and that would cause him even greater amounts of pain. He linked huge amount of pain to smoking, hence he never even considered doing it again.

Get a fecking life, you loser Ice.


Phil

A six-year-old girl said that?! I don't know who the famous father was, but just because of that (the marriage thing) I would have doubled my daily dose of cigarettes!

Obviously she meant she wanted her daddy there when she got married later in her life.



Phil

Wrong again. Not everyone can quit. If they could, then why are there so many addicts in the world? Why do people who have supposedly stopped start again?

If you're not the expert, you shouldn't go around stating things like " It'd be pretty simple to get Jon off cigarettes.". You haven't got the slightest idea what it involves, you couldn't possibly have. If you claim to have, you're either stupid or bullshitting. Oh, and that's not an opinion, that's a fact.


If you assume someone is able to be without nicotine for 3 weeks. Not all people can. And, may I remind you, you said " So the thing is, you make the person realise they are becoming relaxed inspite of the fact you're smoking. ". It just doesn't work like that.

It's nice to see how well you control yourself. You start giving out crappy information to people and expect them to swallow it as facts? And then call people "gimps"? Yep, how mature of you.

Like that would pain him a bit.

How hedonistic of you. Sadly, you are once more mistaken. Don't believe everything you read.

According to who? You seem to believe any quacker that says he's done some research on any given subject.

So because someone somewhere did this, it must work for Jon as well? You can't be serious.

It's spelled "****ing" and once again, how very mature of you. Where did all your excess positivity go now?

Ice

I knew that. Of course she wasn't getting married at 6 (!!!!). But still, it's so cheesy.

*gag*

You've never been high I see.

I have seen Vince Neil of motley crue, and maybe he at times sounds like a screaming cat, he sings far better in 2005 then 10 years ago.

And what about Steven ****ing Tyler...in his fifties he sings like he got the devil running after him! He is raw!

Simple, but I'm so not going to write another long post which would be wasted on an ignoramous like yourself. Very simply it has to do with how a person identifies themselves and the human need to stay consistent with who they see themself to be, and how the person believes society sees him or her to be. A person who identifes themself as "an addict" is vastly more likely to start an unproductive behaviour again even if they haven't done it in years, then somebody who has "an addiction". The "addict" see what he dose an integral part of who he is, the person with "an addiction" simply see's it as a behaviour and as such stopping it wouldn't violate his seen identity.


I'm not an "expert" but I do know what I'm talking about. As I aid, an expert is somebody who has alot of experience and can commucicate their knowledge perfectly. How could I know? Eh, ever hear of something called education? Obviously not.


Of course they can, they may not know it but they can. All you're doing there is imposing self-limiting beliefs on yourself and limited people live limited lives. As for the second part, that's exactly how it works.

Like I said, it's the same basic methodology. Each case would be approached differently but the reason why people do what they do is always the same so everybody can help themselves when given the right help.

No it's not, it's spelled FECKING. Different word, dude.


Phil