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that passes as journalism?


And i still find the idea of musicians who live in mansions and rake in millions a year leaning to the left a little stupid.
Maybe they have more time to read & think about what is going on than us poor, busy right leaning people. Also - they have experienced a lot more different cultures than you or me. Eg: JBJ has done huge world tours in the past.

It is easy to decide what is great for the rest of the country when you are looking out the window of your ivory tower and money is not an issue.
Money clearly is one of the issues though - one of the big issues, especially when you are comparing economies & job creation.
Democrats have a habit of spending in order to help the less fortunate. While this is all well and good for the rich, it isn't for the middle class. The main issues for celebrities is only the war, without looking at the big picture, because in the end, they are immune to the rest of it.
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Old 08-15-2004, 06:28 PM
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And i still find the idea of musicians who live in mansions and rake in millions a year leaning to the left a little stupid.
Maybe they have more time to read & think about what is going on than us poor, busy right leaning people. Also - they have experienced a lot more different cultures than you or me. Eg: JBJ has done huge world tours in the past.

It is easy to decide what is great for the rest of the country when you are looking out the window of your ivory tower and money is not an issue.
Money clearly is one of the issues though - one of the big issues, especially when you are comparing economies & job creation.
Democrats have a habit of spending in order to help the less fortunate. While this is all well and good for the rich, it isn't for the middle class. The main issues for celebrities is only the war, without looking at the big picture, because in the end, they are immune to the rest of it.
A rather large assumption. Aren't the democrats offering tax-cuts to the middle classes?
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Jon Bon Jovi has probably earned more in the time it's took me to write this reply than any of us here will earn in a year......
Which is why he should be taxed at a higher level than the average Joe.
why? so we have one further reason to have a dig at others' success? i'm all for a standard tax bracket rather than punishing those who obviously showed more willingness to succeed than others.
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Under pressure to shore up his fiscal credibility, Kerry has in recent weeks scaled back some proposals, including one for a national service corps, and warned that other proposals may have to wait if there is no money to pay for them.

Yes, it is the way of politicians. Make promises, but have no plans to back it up. I can't even argue in favor of Bush regarding taxes, because he is in the same boat.

Now, as for my assumption, after living here all my life, I can tell you it is not an "assumption." Whether you view it as good or bad, is a different story.
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Jon Bon Jovi has probably earned more in the time it's took me to write this reply than any of us here will earn in a year......
Which is why he should be taxed at a higher level than the average Joe.
why? so we have one further reason to have a dig at others' success? i'm all for a standard tax bracket rather than punishing those who obviously showed more willingness to succeed than others.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Jon Bon Jovi has probably earned more in the time it's took me to write this reply than any of us here will earn in a year......
Which is why he should be taxed at a higher level than the average Joe.
why? so we have one further reason to have a dig at others' success? i'm all for a standard tax bracket rather than punishing those who obviously showed more willingness to succeed than others.
So you'd prefer to be taxed at 28-30% so everyone could be level?

And how has JBJ shown more willingness to succeed than others? He dropped out of school for one. Now he sits there in his big house, with his football team watching the money roll in & hardly has to work for it.

& he is one of the harder working ones - he hasn't earned his fortune through inheritance like... for example... G W Bush.
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Under pressure to shore up his fiscal credibility, Kerry has in recent weeks scaled back some proposals, including one for a national service corps, and warned that other proposals may have to wait if there is no money to pay for them.

Yes, it is the way of politicians. Make promises, but have no plans to back it up. I can't even argue in favor of Bush regarding taxes, because he is in the same boat.
Sounds like he is worrying about the deficit - that doesn't have anything to do with the tax cuts for middle classes either.

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You have been in dicussions with these people over their views?
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Mike the vast majority of people who earn a lot of money have done it off their own backs.

There are also an amount of people born into it but as far as i;'m concerned, most people have worked hard for what they've got.

They're untitled to resent havign to give more of their money away to keep sloths and drift wood going.
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Mike the vast majority of people who earn a lot of money have done it off their own backs.

There are also an amount of people born into it but as far as i;'m concerned, most people have worked hard for what they've got.

They're untitled to resent havign to give more of their money away to keep sloths and drift wood going.
You can ignore the sloths and drift wood, as the US has already got themselves into huge debt - comletely ignoring them. & if we were to have a constant tax level in this country, it would be much higer for you and me to compensate for the money lost from the rich.

Failing that there would be countless more stealth taxes.

And the vast majority is quite naive. The vast majority that work hard can be counted as middle class. Very few make it to be super rich without a huge slice of luck. How many bands like Bon Jovi do you think fell by the way-side & ended up working in a garage??
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So you'd prefer to be taxed at 28-30% so everyone could be level?
i'll be in the higher tax bracket in a year or so anyway. but yes, in theory i think that is a great idea.

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And how has JBJ shown more willingness to succeed than others? He dropped out of school for one. Now he sits there in his big house, with his football team watching the money roll in & hardly has to work for it.
you're basically saying that being academically gifted and/or furthering your education is the only way you can show willingness to succeed? i'd love to see you take a band on the road with no money for years.

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& he is one of the harder working ones - he hasn't earned his fortune through inheritance like... for example... G W Bush.
so he should be punished for being born into a rich family? he's still worked hard to get where he is. it seems as though you're suggesting he wouldn't be US president without the achievemnets of his family. seems you don't have a very strong belief in a just world.
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