kurt mentioned on captain crash

Can anyone remember when Kurt killed himself? i can remember that we had tickets to see them in london, then they got to paris where he shot himself bummer!Ithink it must be ten years now.

He didn't shoot himself in Paris. He overdosed in Paris or Rome (supposedly and accident).

He shot himself in his house in Seattle (allegedly) in 1994.

I generally agree with the child thing. However, I am certain his daughter meant everything to him and to say "he obviously didn't feel the same" is just wrong. Because he killed himself doesn't mean he didn't love her. That is way tooo simplistic. In fact, in his own sick mind he thought he was doing her a favor. On a side note, he wasn't exactly living this family life where he saw his daughter all the time and possibly excerted big influence over her. Courtney Love is a nutcase and she did not let him see his daughter when he wanted. A month before his suicide, he flew to Paris to see his daughter, but his lovely wife was busy with an affair and didn't let him see Francis. Not an excuse, but I think it complicates things.

Of course, a child should come first and suicide is wrong! However, it IS a horrible act, and I can only imagine what it would be like to life a live with suicide seeming to be the only option. I sympathize.

This defies logic. Obviously, suicide is never reasonable. Being seriously depressed isn't reasonable - yet it happens and when it happens it ain't nice to say the least. Nobody is suggesting that he should have killed himself.


True, he could not handle being famous, but he also did not get everything he'd ever wanted. He never wanted to be this famous. He never wanted to attract the masses. He never wanted to be pushed into a track where he had to ride limos and kiss ass. He felt the band had sold out, how else could you explain attracting fans that otherwise would have not said hello to you if it wasn't for your popularity. He hated those fans. It was not what he wanted. Tough life? You betcha - tough enough to end it!!

Again, Cobain did not get what he wanted. I don't know your definition of a looser, so cannot discuss this. Do drugs screw you up? Of course - don't do it.

I am not trying to say he was this perfect individual that for some valid reason had to kill himself. However, he fought his own demons, and I don't think that is something to look down upon. We are in an age were we know clinical depression is a very dangerous illness. We do not look down on people suffering depression. It is a slap in the face of millions of people fighting this illness every single day to say they are cowards and loosers.

That is the key. I don't think they are cowards because they have enough guts to try and fight it unlike Mr. Cobain.

But a lot of them commit suicide

Aloha !

Anyone who's in this discussion read his diary ? No ? Then shut up. First read the diary.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Depression is an illness, but it's also cureable. Suicide is not. Loosers are the ones who take the easy way out. Fighters survive.

Ice

Aloha !

When you're depressed it's not always cureable since you think you are not cureable because the world doesn't understand you anymore. It's a weird way of thinking but that's the thing with a depression.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Re Sid and Nancy: Read a book called Nancy by Deborah (?) Spungen. It's written by Nancy's mum and tells the story of Nancy mostly, since she was a child. She had a drug addiction even as a very small child. And of course it deals with Sid and Nancy aswell.

Re Cobain/suicide: I don't think Cobain would be the icon he is today if he hadn't killed himself. So in a way the way he died made him the idol he is today. I am also of the opinion that suicide is the easy way out, and even tho it takes a lot to kill yourself, it still takes more to face the world and life. Suicide is a cowardly thing, and I know that from experience (not my own of course )

Also I thought I'd bring out another point, since the topic is about Kurt/Courtney, do you think it was mostly her who pushed Kurt to succeed, who wanted him to be bigger than he really wanted to be?