kurt mentioned on captain crash

It's not about what the depressed thinks. Depression is cureable, weather the depressed wants to or not. I know what depression is, but it's still no reason to kill yourself.

And I think Laura is right, Kurt would just be a has-been if he hadn't shot himself. This world is really ****ed-up, but all the dead celebs become idols... I don't understand why.

Ice

Aloha !

But when the depressed person has got no will to be cured then the cure won't work. You can talk to him what you want, if he keeps on thinking in a depressed way he can't be cured.

I read his diary, and Kurt just wanted to make the music he had in his head. He just wanted to make that music, and play it. He never thought he'd be as big as he's now. He loved Courtney very much, but didn't get her at some times. He had some thoughts of how Courtey should be, but the vision he had didn't live up to his expectations. Courtney let him down everytime.

I think Courtney was after his money some time, and being a bigger star would mean more money. She's just a dirty money hore I think.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Then I have a question. Why would he kill himself so his daughter has no choice but to be raised by someone like that?

So all depressed people should just shoot themselves, because there is no cure? Don't talk BS, you know better. Even if THEY think there is no cure or do not want it, it's still curable, weather you want it or not. Cobain was a looser, end of story. If he didn't want to be a star, then why did he become one? It's not by accident. He could've stopped it any time. He could've made music at home and not show it to anyone. It's not hard being a star, it's hard to become one. He did it because he wanted to, but he was too ****ed up to see that his life was good, even though he thought it wasn't.

Ice

I reckon!

Aloha !

I'm not saying every depressed person should kill himself. I'm just saying that when you're depressed you think differently. And that does not make you a loser, because when you're depressed you sure want to be happy but you can't.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Thinking differently doesn't make you a looser, killing yourself does. Do you mean you're a looser if you kill yourself, but are not depressed, but if you're depressed and think life's miserable, it's okay to commit suicide?

Suicide is always a cowards way out.

Ice

i had a very good friend of mine that i grew up with kill himself about this time 2 years ago because hios mother was disabled and he was the only one that looked after her and it got too much for him and he felt like there was no one there to help him.

i feel really bad for his mother and family and i have alot more respect for someone who takes their own life for sdomething like that, rather than someone who does it just cos they're a ****ed up junkie.

star or not, when it all boils down to it, he got smacked up and as a result ruined his life and other peoples. don't be fooled by the "legend" thats been created here. no one forced him to sign a record contract, no one forced him to shoot heroin and no one forced him to put a gun to his head.

No. 1, of course he did NOT realize what a nutcase Courtney is/was. He loved her. Even though it was a sick love. Kurt's mind did not work like yours or mine, rationalizing. It's kind of like with women in abusive relationships. Often they don't realize what an ass their partner is and continue to make excuses for them.

No. 2, his feelings for his daughter and his fear of what might become of her (relating to his own life - who innocent he once was and how antisocial he became) tore him apart. His feelings and his fear were too much for him. He truly thought that he would be doing her a favor of removing himself from her life, so she would have a shot at "growing up normal".

Depression is NOT curable. It can be controlled, but clinical depression is not curable! Fact!

I think there is a difference between killing oneself because their mind works differently and they cannot make rational decisions vs. someone killing themselves, cause they corrupted millions of dollars and now don't want to do jailtime (ie. Enron-controller). The first is one I sympathize with. The second I agree is a coward. Difference is that the first person did not make a rational decision. The second did clearly think it through and went for the easy way out.

Nirvana's fame came quite unexpected. True, they could have stopped it. However, I also think he still had the right to write and perform his own music - even though he didn't want all the stardom shit. He shouldn't be forced to stop making music at all. Further, Cobain didn't have a problem with people liking his music. It is the extreme he didn't like.

Also, I don't think he killed himself cause of drugs, though they didn't help either.

As far as putting Cobain on a pedestal cause he's dead - I don't think that is true as a general statement. Sure some do, but others despise him because of his death and reject Nirvana as a whole, not giving recognition to anything he did/achieved/fought for.

Finally, Courtney Love is a money hungry whore who used and abused Cobain. I do believe she had a great deal to do with his death.