Let's fix the "machine"

This is the truth. Hopefully this trainwreck of a tour and WAN being a flop will cause Jon to rethink his attitude.

A year ago I would have told you to shut the **** up. But I have now reached this very stage after What About Now. Its the most uninspiring, lacklustre album I have ever heard - and it hurts more because Jon wrote it. I'll be getting to Villa Park next month just before the support bands start and probably leaving before the encore to beat the traffic. With this album and the farce over the tour & Richie, the 19 year Bon Jovi relationship is over. I dont even look at setlists anymore like I used to a year ago. I'm not upset. I just dont care.

Its ended on a sour note for me. The best thing Bon Jovi can do would be to have another Finale World Tour next year for 2 years and just give everything back to the fans. Albums in their entirety, raraties, and soul.

I wish they would.

But Jon doesn't seem to think like that. My bet is and I've been saying this for a while; he will think 'f*ck it... ' and we'll get an entire album of him playing sh*t like 'Not Running Anymore', a heap of introspective, Brooce-Lite in that horrible nasal tone, he'll tour with Bobby and play all the covers he can still sing. Occasionally, it'll be good and he'll clearly be enjoying it so much, we'll wonder how the hell he couldn't do the same playing Bon Jovi gigs. But most of the time, the gigs will be boring as sh*t. He'll be playing to theatres of middle-aged women... those people who would be happy to hear him do 'Who Says... ' 24 times a night.

Then, about two years on from that, maybe about 4 or 5 years from now, the thought will occur to him once more, that he could still play his new music to a much bigger crowd; he just needs the band again. Whatever's left of Bon Jovi by then, might even get together and record in the old fashioned way... like a band. But another tour, will almost certainly be accompanied by a new record, Jon is too pig-headed to believe no one is interested in what he has to say. They might do something for a 40 year anniversary without an album to support but honestly? Tico will be pushing 70 by then.

Couple of things:

1.I'm not so much concerned for myself being a victim of cyber-bullying. I'm 37 years old. I can handle it. I simply have a soft spot for those that can't. It's a serious trigger issue for some people.

2.I agree with you about Jon and the whole CEO thing.

3.I don't agree that this album has no potential. You say the majority of people don't see I'm With You as a good single choice, yet when we conducted a poll, it was by far the most popular option.

I can't speak for Europe, but in the US, there are several different charting radio lists for Billboard. You don't need a straight out hit single on the Hot 100. Chart on AC and the album can move. That's where the band's strength (at least for this record), lies.

Granted, I don't know how the charts work where you're from, apart from one thing... being COMPLETELY honest and echoing what I've said in the other thread... Would 'I'm With You' really, honestly interest you if it wasn't Bon Jovi? Leave out the fact you might be a Green Day fan and already own a copy of it, under a different name, better produced and with some actual heart in it.

Bon Jovi couldn't get Livin' On A Prayer to chart again right now. IF they had gone away, kept their reputation in tact, taken care of their legacy by just touring for the hell of it for the last few years instead of releasing pap; maybe, just maybe, a new record would have been enough of an event to get people's attention. But everyone who is interested in this album, owns these songs already. You've said it yourself, albums don't sell anymore, it's the market, it's the trend. It's also because these guys ain't cool and half of his own fans think Jon stinks of desperation.

I'm With You, whatever chart it's released to, will not change that and wouldn't even make a dent on a top 40.

Unless Jon sold it with a year's supply of batteries and a large, rotating phallic object with his face on it; at the gates to soccer practices all over the US. Then it might crack the top 20.

I'm with you is terrible. It's nothing we haven't heard before and it's a song that never takes off. It tries to but it just can't.

The sad part is that it's probably the best of the record, which is a thing that speak more of the turd that the record is than the "gem" that the song might be.

Bon Jovi will decline with time until it's demise. It's foretold, they can't keep reinventing themselves forever without any passion, drive and a good voice (which is sadly leaving us).

I think Beautiful World is a great upbeat little song and would be the one I would choose to do well, but to be honest nothing will regardless in the current climate. If anything, what we think would work should be the opposite as we aren't representative of the chart-music buying public. Radio/TV simply won't play new Bon Jovi regardless of quality.

Instead of chasing the hits, they should have write what they want, or please the fans and the hit will come if the public latch on to something or the style all of a sudden becomes in vogue again. The new stuff is an irrelevance to anyone outside of the fanbase, even more so when they can't even be bothered to play it live, so instead aim to please your fanbase and screw everyone else. They'll still come to the shows either way.

I too really like WAN....I do want more singles released. Do I think any would be mega hits, no. I do agree with Brian as to the reason why. I honestly thought Jon would be done with Island/Def Jam as I thought the Greatest Hits fulfilled their last obligation with them. I'm curious to know what went through Jon's head and what is the contract this time when he inked another deal with them.

Also, don't agree with firing Bobby and Matt..but that's out of my own personal views and knowing each..ha ha!!

This is not a bad topic to revisit being that the album has been out for a couple of months now so back off of DanFan.

And DanFan.... Don't even entertain folks like Panda. He contributes nothing and defines Troll around here. Don't give him the attention he craves for.

IMO it's not the worst album in the world but it's not the Bon Jovi I want either. I could deal with songs like BWC, I'm With You, WAN, & Beautiful Word. They are fun catchy upbeat tunes. Now the other songs are actually good but just not for Bon Jovi. But then again, I think the right artist with the right production could make any song sound good and/or be a hit single. That's how I feel about Justin Timberlake. His songs suck but he's in style and he's got the right sound. I don't think there are any songs on WAN that could boost up sales.

I also think everyone leans towards I'm With You because it's different and a direction that could work for Bon Jovi in 2013. It's got the 90's vibe but it's different from TD, Faith, & DA. The songs also got a cool factor to it.

Bon Jovi needs to go through a total revamp. From a change in production to writing style.

Right now, they are not doing anything. They are not gaining new fans and the die hards are not being satisfied which could potentially cause a loss. They should try to at least satisfy one or the other. And I think that's been the problem with this band post 2k. They are trying to satisfy everyone. Fans, Non-Fans, Men, Women, Young, Older, Rock, Country, Etc. There is no consistency and everyone is turned off because there is not enough of 1 thing. I think it should also start with trying to satisfy the die hards first because that's how you stay real.

This record company does suck in some ways. When Bon Jovi released their "Greatest Hit's Videos", who the F is going to buy that? I could make that myself or at least watch it on YouTube in less time then it would take for me to go to the store to buy it. That's something that should have been marketed towards the die-hard fans and all they needed to do was put some raw footage on there of anything.

Anyway, if a good actor makes a few bad movies does that make him a bad actor? Jon just needs a good change. Stop writing with Billy Falcon and find a kid in his mid-30's that could help with some refreshed lyrics. And Get A New Producer!!!!

This is a difficult time for rock. In the 90's we had grunge and alternative music but rock was still around. In the '00s, Emo was in but it was still rock. Where does Bon Jovi fit today? Or any of the old school greats? It’s a small window……However, I do like 30 Seconds To Mars and I'm pumped for their new album next week.

bon jovi don't need to cater for anyone-diehards or newbies or country or rock fans.

they're trying to cater for everyone and have delivered nothing of note for 13 years.

They should write organically rather than fitting in with every possible trend-they're trying to cover all bases and in doing so are missing the target with hooks, songs and choruses. Our album is better that anything they've done since these days.