livebonjovi.com?

Would somebody write a good and persuasive text for a petition about this, to post on petitiononline.com.
I think this is one of the sort of things that can happen in the Bon Jovi World... just because it will take money to the label!


I'm not that good in english to write the text for a petition (I think!), but maybe we can write it in multi-language (I would help for Italian) so the fans from all the countries can read correctly and vote!

What do you think? BTW the basis will be the english text. Who is available to write it?

i prefer the jo'berg mix to seoul, to be honest.

Yeah, they'll turn up. But most bonafide Bon Jovi fans will go straight to the website and obtain them properly, paying for them. It's otherwise too much hassle to get them for free. The only easy ones would be when you are searching for that one song that is rarely played (Dyers Eve) or was only played on one tour date.

It's just not worth the sweat and time to actually attempt to seek out the shows in file sharing networks. You can spend days/weeks trying to locate all of the songs for just one single show. That's if they are labeled properly. You are assuming that when you use your P2P program you are going to look up the date or venue and get the results...or look up the song title and it will be tagged with the date or venue. You might just see the song title..which isn't gonna help you....especially not with 75 different dates floating around. Even if they are labeled properly..it's still a pain in the ass to try to download all the files for a single show in P2P. Have you tried searching for the sorts of shows shared at the BJ Hub or file sharing forum in general P2P networks? Good luck finding them. You usually only find an odd song or two. And these are bootlegs, not official recordings.

The file sharing forum here sure as f**k isn't going to allow any idiots to share those official files...the original Bon Jovi Hub, if it was still running, would immediately ban anyone attempting to share those files. People who take the time and energy to form these communities..be it devoted to Bon Jovi or another band or in general tend to have the same values. So you are pretty much out of luck if you want to attempt to freeload something that is completely official and due payment.

Save yourself the hassle and just buy them..you get a guaranteed fast connection and the download is orderly. Then you can decide if you want to go through the pain of organizing and identifying the files for sharing on a P2P network. I'll be damned if I sweat over that so that people can get what I paid for, for free. I'm sure I'm far from the only one who feels that way.

When it comes down to it...File sharing isn't much of a threat to the whole venture.

i beg to differ. people would copy them and mail them out. and whether or not they would be classified as official material is open to interpretation.

Open to interpretation? Just how did you come up with that? These aren't bootlegs or TV broadcasts. These are recorded by the band to be sold as product. The fact they are digital files does not change that fact. They are just as official as any of their albums.

How many people here are going to take the time to make copies of the files you paid for, burn, press labels, prepare for shipping of shows that you paid for? Raise your hand please.

Try to sell it on Ebay? Might as well burn copies of Keep The Faith. Your ass will be busted.

There is no interpretation. Take that one to court. Whats open to interpretation is your hand held recording of the same show that is otherwise available in official soundboard quality for a reasonable price at a very accessible website. In other words no one gives a sh** about your hand held recording anymore.

get down from your high horse mate.

i was pointing out something constructive. not from a legal standpoint but from a file sharing point of view. whether or not those files will be shared is open to the interpretation of the people in the hubs.

i didn't say I would sell these on ebay, nor did i say I would get copies of these recordings. how would you actually prove that what you were selling on ebay wasn't the recording you purchased? you can't.[/b]

People attempting to make profit on the shows by selling them at lower cost to many others would have to advertise in some form. This would be brought to the attention of the band and they would be prosecuted. You mistake the fact that people have been able to do this with bootlegs for years and not not be arrested. Well the difference is they were bootlegs and not quite as cut and dried as far as whether that FBI warning you see at the beginning of every officially release movie or concert applies. The actual source material isn't neccessarily owned by the band and not for them to pursue legal action. The live recordings are another story and the full extent of the law would apply.

.....IF, and only IF, they could prove that the disk you are selling isn't the one you purchased. quite who would bother to do that is a mystery to me.

Yes you can. You might not be able to tell simply from the description they give for the item. Though they will likely go on about how good the quality is, the date/venue. It's difficult to make a sale if you are vague about the details. If it's a soundboard recording..there is no debate. If it's a hand held recording...then there is.. But who would want it when they get can get it in better quality?

All the lawyers would have to do is listen to the recording to know the source. If it was the band's for-sale recording...the person would be prosecuted.

All this is negated by the fact that most people would be quite aware of the official website where they can get the shows...meaning most aren't going to bother with Ebay.

This is all somewhat new territory. Most fans went the bootleg route because there was no alternative. The material was not being released. It was never a way to be cheap. I personally would have preferred every video and audio recording I own have come straight from the band to ensure the highest quality. I would have gladly paid for every single one of them and I'm sure the vast majority of fans of every band feel exactly the same way.

you have no idea what i'm saying!

you buy KTF from the shop and sell it on ebay two weeks later because you don't like it. this is perfectly legal.

you buy the flac files and download them to your hard drive. you then make a copy and sell them on ebay. with them being flac files, how can they prove that what you are selling isn't simply the copy of the show that you downloaded, heard and didn't want?