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Old 03-19-2004, 06:22 PM
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.....IF, and only IF, they could prove that the disk you are selling isn't the one you purchased. quite who would bother to do that is a mystery to me.
They wouldn't unless there was enough sales activity to bother investigating. Thats where the fact most people would know the proper place to go to buy the show comes in. It would keep profits for anyone attempting to launch a business based on that pretty low. Their customer base would be limited to the idiot consumer who doesn't know any better. Kind of like the Target CD when there were some attempts to sell it on Ebay. The only ones trying to buy that who were US based were ignorant....the rest were overseas..a condition created by the nature of the CD being available only in the US.

At the end of the day....the people who are really interested in having these shows are the hard core fans who will pay for them and the people who went to the show. The service would be promoted at every concert so even the most clueless attendee would know where to go. They wouldn't be looking on Ebay. Those in between just wouldn't give a sh**.
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Old 03-19-2004, 06:38 PM
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you have no idea what i'm saying!

you buy KTF from the shop and sell it on ebay two weeks later because you don't like it. this is perfectly legal.

you buy the flac files and download them to your hard drive. you then make a copy and sell them on ebay. with them being flac files, how can they prove that what you are selling isn't simply the copy of the show that you downloaded, heard and didn't want?
Richie....you cannot press copies of any album and then attempt to sell it. You can sell your used original CD...but you can't generate and sell copies of it. You relinquish your rights and ownership of the CD. It's possible you ripped the CD to your computer before getting rid of the original copy...but you can't do anything more. You don't make much profit off that single CD you sold and your ass will be thrown in prison if you attempt to generate CD R copies of it.

Which leads us to the the official live recordings...the trick is...you have generated a copy, a CD-R. Under no circumstances or reasoning can you sell it. It cannot be argued that there is no way of telling if they are just selling the single CD they pressed from the files that they didn't like. You didn't buy a CD..you bought digital files. Whether you burn those files to CD-R for your convenience is your choice. Whether you attempt to sell that CD-R is not....you didn't like it? You simply toss the copy and delete the files from your Hard Drive.
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you have made a payment for them therefore you can sell them on. just as you would buy a pressed cd and sell it on ebay, you pay for the right to those files and then have the right to sell that one copy of those files which you have paid for. the rules don't change just because the music is in flac format.
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The problem is you don't understand what you are buying. You aren't buying a CD. You're buying digitized files. Nothing more. You have not purchased the rights to a CD. The files you have bought are not files that need to be burned to CD to be used. You are only allowed the option to burn a CD for your own personal use. But you, Richie, are understanding it all as "Hey you can purchase a 'Build your own CD package'! We'll provide you with all the materials, you just need a printer and a CD burner!!" This isn't what you are buying. It's only digitized files meant for your use only. Everything else is only provided as an optional courtesy.

With all recorded media, any reproduction of the media is soley for the buyer's personal use. You are reproducing the media when you burn the files to CD.

You can review the Terms Of Service at www.livemetallica.com. The link is at the bottom.

I'll put it this way..with your reasoning..You believe you can purchase a pressed CD, record that CD onto cassette, print out artwork and then legally sell it. The other part is "how do they know you didn't throw away the original CD?" Well they don't give a sh**. It's your loss. What they care about is you have reproduced copyrighted material and attempted to distribute it.
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I have just checked this out on Metallica & definately think Bon Jovi should do it. It is a comprehensive service & is far better than going through bootleggers for a number of reasons:

There is a choice of two types of format. MP3's, which are cheaper (generally $9.95 for a 2 hour show). And FLAC files, which lose none of the orignally recording quality at all. You r looking to pay $12.96 for these.

You are however guarenteed a full show and the quality is guarenteed depending on which file format you choose.

The website also offers a number of services. It lists all shows in their entirety, including full setlists and interesting facts about some of the songs and when they were last played. You also have the option to download CD covers for these. There is a full explanation on how to transfer the show you have downloaded onto CD.

Also, fans can submit ratings for each show - so you can scan through and decide which show you would like based on rating and setlist.

It also has a top 5 downloads function.

All in all, it is like buying an official CD. If you don't want to spend money on a product that is guarenteed to deliver, you can take your chances with bootleggers - and put up with inferior quality in most cases. Basically like people do for official CD's anyhow.


Bon Jovi should definately do this.

Anyone that wants to check out how it is done go here:

http://www.livemetallica.com/default.asp
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sounds great but whether BJ ever bother to do it is another matter
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Seems to me like it will be a while anyway before Bon Jovi is back on the touring circuit. The Box Set is supposed to be next. They will probably not tour behind that. No talk at all has come up about a new album. I think we are going to enter another break period...which should only help ensure that when they do come back they are completely off the whole Crush/Bounce phase.

So perhaps when they go back to work...we will finally see them truly back on the creative track they left off with on These Days. Not These Days II..but not the backwards motion we saw with the last 2 studio albums. With the right attitude..it should reflect in the live shows..which could be completely revamped finally instead of following the core frame of songs. I knew we were in trouble when the 2000 Crush shows began opening with Prayer and Bad Name in the exact same style as many of the These Days shows. It showed they weren't much on paving new ground.

My point is..then a service like Metallica's would be very exciting. Like it or not, TLFR was paving new ground. I highly doubt its the definition of the next sound...only the willingness to break the mold.

Imagine the buzz around here with people raving about the recordings of particular dates where they were exceptional and rare songs were performed...different things done with the standards...all of that. All in professional soundboard quality.
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Imagine the buzz around here with people raving about the recordings of particular dates where they were exceptional and rare songs were performed...different things done with the standards...all of that. All in professional soundboard quality.
I agree - The only reason metallica r able to do that is because they have introduced so many rare songs into the setlist.
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Seems to me like it will be a while anyway before Bon Jovi is back on the touring circuit. The Box Set is supposed to be next. They will probably not tour behind that. No talk at all has come up about a new album. I think we are going to enter another break period...which should only help ensure that when they do come back they are completely off the whole Crush/Bounce phase.

So perhaps when they go back to work...we will finally see them truly back on the creative track they left off with on These Days. Not These Days II..but not the backwards motion we saw with the last 2 studio albums. With the right attitude..it should reflect in the live shows..which could be completely revamped finally instead of following the core frame of songs. I knew we were in trouble when the 2000 Crush shows began opening with Prayer and Bad Name in the exact same style as many of the These Days shows. It showed they weren't much on paving new ground.

My point is..then a service like Metallica's would be very exciting. Like it or not, TLFR was paving new ground. I highly doubt its the definition of the next sound...only the willingness to break the mold.

Imagine the buzz around here with people raving about the recordings of particular dates where they were exceptional and rare songs were performed...different things done with the standards...all of that. All in professional soundboard quality.
all opinion but the crush sound was great, and bounce was ok but i felt they tried too hard too push on from crush...for me crush was a great step forward, bounce just didnt go anywhere....i was really proud of TLFR, it showed imagination and guts, it is one of my fave albums since its release(to hear at the mo) and if they show half of the innovation on that album as they do the next i think it iwll be veyr fruitful for the band as artists.
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