Loudness war at Bon Jovi!

Thanks for posting... I guess that means any industry change isn't going to come from Bon Jovi.

it's not gonna happen since most of the hi fidelity formats flopped big time(SACD's DVD-A, DualDisc).
there are some software's that can fix some of the clipping, but when a song is beyond compression(in Bon Jovi terms, everything after Undiscovered Soul 98 edition), you can't really do anything about it, the only way to obtain a proper non-compressed version is by obtaining the multi-track files, which are not available..another alternative is ripping the audio from music videos(from dvd..especially the ones which have dolby) since the audio in the music dvd's is not compressed at all, in fact it is the exact copy of how it was recorded.

the biggest letdown was that Obie thinks that it's just normal and that he's doing nothing wrong...there are other guys(Butch Vig...Nirvana, Garbage) who admit to compressing the song(on artist/company's) request, but at least they admit that it's not good, Obie on the other hand tries to act like Bono or Bob Geldof when I try to ask him the very same question.

in the words of some user from hydrogenaudio forums:
"The "top guys"*, even if they're making squashed records (for whatever reason), don't mind the criticism. But the mediocre guys**, who are just copying everyone else - they don't like to be made to feel so insecure!"

*guys who originally started/promoted this compression(whoever was responsible for Oasis Morning Glory's post production)

**Obie O Brien,failed comedian,now a music "engineer".

here's what some Depeche Mode fan has to say about DRC->http://brianstagg.co.uk/p_t_a_clipressed/

hey people. im a music producer and in fact, the only place i've read about loudness war was in wikipedia so far. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice how records all sound so fat and loud nowadays. limiters and maximizers contribute to this at the mastering stage but the mixing stage and even the recording have their share on this. its all about how good and loud you set your pre-amps when putting a microphone in front of a guitar cabinet. This loudness applies mostly on pop music. listen to modern jazz records and classical and they're not as loud, mainly because they usually don't use too much compression if any (classical music is known for not using any compression as well as classical radio stations) in order to keep the dynamics. listen to a beatles album, it could be a later one like abbey road. now compare it to macca's latest record or compare it to bounce. its all very in your face, due to compression, the pre amps, mics, mixing consoles etc. the audio spectrum is more well covered than in the early days of music recording. Also, there's a lot more headroom in records today. there's even more headroom in a 24 bit recording than when it's put to 16bit on cd.

i do agree that records sound too fat and loud these days. its a drag cause when i'm recording or mixing something i always go for that, cause it's sort of the industry's standard and you alwas want to match it or people will think it sounds too thin.

i don't think HAND sounds shit, though i highly prefer keep the faith of these days. they're way more organic and less compressed. But you gotta keep up with the times i guess

Hope this helps. cheers

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*guys who originally started/promoted this compression(whoever was responsible for Oasis Morning Glory's post production)

actually, Definitely Maybe already sounded loud as hell. check the definitey maybe dvd.