New Classic Rock Debate: Bon Jovi: Should We Care?? PART ONE

Aloha !

Haha, but that's different Dan, he just didn't want to go touring back then. That's different.

I do get your point about Oasis though, but the thing about Oasis caring is that they care about the music they make. They know what direction they want to take when recording a new album and when it doesn't work they alter things. Bon Jovi has been walking the same path ever since Crush was released, apart from This Left Feels Right, that is. Lost Highway isn't any different from a regular Bon Jovi album apart from there being more ballads on it and less guitars. They're still the same songs though, while Oasis have released many different sort of songs over their career.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Good point about Liam. Did you see that interview he did with some Italian(?) radio show? Friggin' hilarious. He's a wank, but he doesn't care. I still like the guy.

You don't think The Circle sounds different from Crush? I do. I hate some of the crap on Crush (She's A Mystery, Mystery Train). There's nothing that bad or awful sounding on The Circle.

Seb has seen to the second part, but he's not there now because Noel left the band and he'd be a fool to continue as Oasis without him.

Aloha !

Yeah, I saw that. I do think the Circle sounds different from Crush, but they're still the same songs to me. It doesn't sound new to me, and even when it does it sounds new because they nicked the sound from someone else instead of re-inventing themselves. Crush on the other hand for sure sounded new compared to other releases before but that was mostly because it's such a schizophrenic album with solo songs and band songs on it.

Just compare the Oasis discography to the one from Bon Jovi. Every album had a different sound, weather it be good or bad. Now compare that to Bon Jovi, who have been releasing the same single and have been singing about the same stuff for 10 years now. That's not nessesarily a bad thing if it works, but it obviously doesn't as every album sells less and less and people care less and less about what Jon has to say, because they've heard it all before.

Many people on here seem to think that you need to evolve in order to keep it interesting, which isn't true at all (AC/DC, Metallica etc.). However, even if you want to evolve (as Jon so proudly anounces every time something new is released) you need to write different songs. What Bon Jovi has been doing the past 10 years is releasing older songs with a new sausage in order to sound up to date. That's not evolving at all. Yes, there has been an exception (Say It Isn't So, Memory and now When We Were Beautiful) but none of them are rated among Bon Jovi's best songs. Ask people what they think are the best songs since 2000 and you get people listing the sort of songs that defined a Bon Jovi song in the eighties or nineties.

I don't mean to turn this into an Oasis vs. Bon Jovi thing, but they're a good example of why critics care more about an Oasis album than they do about a Bon Jovi album, and which is why the average joe's think they shouldn't care about a new Bon Jovi release. And believe me, Oasis get loads of slack from the press and from many average joe's.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

True, it's subjective.

But one thing nobody can deny is that their music has been dumbed down since these days. The songs now are less complex as are the instrumentals.

Great article and I don't give a **** about Oasis...

"No disrespect to those who dashed out to buy the new record on the day of release, and have already got tickets for the O2 Arena residency next year, but they’re rather too easily pleased. What this band needs is a right old kick up the arse, to reconnect with the hard rockers and make the album that I sense they wanna do – and I know a lot of the old brigade would love to hear again."

So true.

Ice

Oasis are wank. Beatles wannabes
A lot of what this guy says is dead right actually.

I think it should be a case of 'Classic Rock magazine should we care'?
That magazine has somehow survived by regurgitating old interviews for 10 years.
In the past when they have published 'new' Bon jovi interviews thay have basically been a hotch-potch of old ones. I gave up on it years ago.

I also think it's strange that he says Jon has turned his back on the music press - I think it would be fair to say it's more like the other way round. This article and what will no doubt come tomorrow proves that.

I've just been to Backsatge and somebody has scanned a new intervierw with Jon from the latest Classic Rock.
How ironic!

It's Noel that's left not Liam. Liam reckons he will carry on without him. Could be a problem because he has no talent.

He's been playing guitar for about 10 years so he can hardly be shit at that. He's written some of the highlights of the last few Oasis albums and he's a great singer (not technically obviously, but since when was it all about that?). I fail to see wwhere the no talent stuff is coming from? I'd rather some decent tunes from Liam than a bunch of moaney wank from Noel, like the new songs he was playing at soundchecks on the Dig Out Your Soul Tour. And it's not as if he'll be solely playing and writing everything is it? Andy Bell shits all over Noel on guitar too, as anyone who's heard a Ride album will know. I have high hopes for Liam, Andy, Gem and whoever else plays with them.

But yes, Noel has left. And thus Oasis are no more, as Liam has said. But most of Oasis are still playing together. Why would you throw away a musical partnership you've had for a decade because somebody else doesn't want to play with you anymore?

On the subject of this article (if I'm gonna post my pro-Oasis propoganda I might as well stay mildly on topic), I agree with most of the points in it. Weird how he doesn't see These Days or Keep The Faith as great albums. Probably more of an 80s bloke.