New Jersey: Your Thoughts, Musings or Opinions

Aloha !

I could actually type an interesting reply, but it's not worth it I think. I'll keep it to LOL, because it's such bullsh1t.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

It's all well and good saying my interprtation of the song is bullsh1t but please instead of hollow, ignornant and idiotic replies why not tell me why you think I'm wrong and let me know what you see as the meaning behind that song. Otherwise it just paints a picture that haven't the first clue and are just disagreeing for the sake of it.


Phil

There are things I agree with here and things I don't.... I don't agree with the fact that it is "timeless"... No album is going to sound timeless, they all age and sound older as the years go on.

As for the track by track... Yet again you hit and miss in certain areas.. Especially Homebound Train and 99 In The Shade. Those are awesome rockers that people love and have grown to miss since oh, 2000 when the pop-rock phase came into effect.

As for the classics, there will always be Lay Your Hands On Me and Born To Be My Baby, Blood On Blood, I'll Be There For You, and Bad Medicine. Those are some of the key tracks that have brought in Bon Jovi fans. Great tracks, some overplayed and some are great hearing over and over again.

As for Bad Medicine?? WTF??? I really hate it live and I think Ice exaggerates it really well with the fact that they've tried so many different things to make it more enjoyable to the "Greatest Hits Fans". I personally hate it live and will always hate it live.


Ryan

oh yeah i forgot. new jersey rocks of course.
but i ain't gonna rate each song. :P
although my all time favourite album is keep the faith

i don't agree. maybe bon jovi sound too 80s to some people but take a led zeppelin album for example. imo they will never sound outdated.

Listen to the album and it's production? It's not outdated??

Ryan

Aloha !

You very well know that I'm not disagreeing for the sake of it. But to me it seems all a bit useless to go against someone who thinks Bounce is a great rock record, thinks 99 In The Shade and Homebound Train aren't great rock songs and who thinks Say It Isn't So has got a deep message.

It makes me wonder if you've ever listened to the lyrics from any other bands. A song like Civil War from Guns N' Roses has got deep lyrics, or Estranged. Those are songs that try to say something, that have got a message in them. Not a song like Say It Isn't So. That's just a song about how something isn't true. That's all. And there's no way that there's lyrical depth in a lyric like "There's no Santa Claus, it was all a lie".

About albums not being able to be a classic if they're dated: Every album from a certain time sounds dated. But it doesn't mean that it can't be a classic. Listen to Sgt. Peppers from The Beatles, Morning Glory from Oasis, Thriller from Michael Jackson. All come from a certain era where that specific sound was what albums sounded like. And those albums could not be a success in this time. However, they're still classics. The same as for Slippery When Wet. It's the ultimate party album from that era, and therefore it's a classic. Every song on that album could've been a single, in that era.

New Jersey is a great album. I've hated Bad Medicine from the beginning, think it's pointless, just a sing along song, but I understand why people love it. However, live it's lost all it's power. Compare the live version from OWN live to any live version from the 90's and you (hopefully) understand what I mean. All those Shouts, Gloria's, Peppermint Twists haven't made it any better as well.

Saying that Homebound Train and 99 In The Shade are stupid songs is like saying you don't like it when Bon Jovi is in their ultimate rock mode or something like that. Homebound Train's got it all. A cool riff, a great build up, great solo's and stunning vocals. And then you say you don't like it.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I dont know why I dont listen to this CD more often its got 3 of my alltime fave songs on there, (There 4 u, BTBMB and Wild is the wind).

Yeah fair enough, that was stupid of me but when you disagree with somebody by just saying "no" and not saying why, it's hard to take seriously.

Of course I've listened to alot of other bands and Bon Jovi are by no means the worlds deepest band, not by a long away. However that dosen't mean their not capable of writting deep songs. They are the most meaningful and best songwriters I've come across, simply because I can relate to and identify with so many of their songs.

No Seb, that's not what that song is about at all. You're completely missing the point of it. The song is about the importance of belief. Like Jon himself said about the song, how could he have achieved so much without believing it was possible. That's the thing, it's about blocking out what people tell you isn't possible and believing absolutely anything you want to do is possible because like Henry Ford so rightly said, "Whether you believe you can or you believe you can't, then you're probably right".

As for the whole dated thing: It's just that the eighties production is so distinct that when you pick up an album like Slippery it couldn't be from any other era., whereas you pick up an album like Morning Glory and even though we all know it is pretty much is the defining album of the '90's, to somebody who has never heard it or heard of Oasis, it would sound completely of it's time if it were released today. For my money, when I listen to Born In The USA it dosen't have that same distinctive 80's production stylings. But then again, the production stylings of SWW is just one reason why I don't think it's a classic. I mean I love it, I just don't view it as a classic 5 star album.

I never said they were stupid songs, I simply said I didn't like them (moreso Homebound Train then 99 In The Shade). See, I'd never say SWW or New Jersey are Bon jovi in their ultimate rock mode, for me their ultimate rock mode is Keep The Faith and These Days, songs like I Believe, Hey God, My Guitar..., Keep The Faith, These Days, Damned etc. they're the songs I'd associate with Bon Jovi rocking at their best. I think it all comes down to personal taste (obviously) and when you became a fan. If you became a fan with SWW, that's what you'll define Bon Jovi as being. I got into Bon Jovi with Crush but became a massive fan after hearing Keep The Faith and These Days so obviously for me, that's what I associate Bon Jovi as being. It's no big deal and neither of us are right, it's simply a matter of taste and you are always going to get that with a band that's been around as long as Bon Jovi.

See, I think it comes alive in a live enviorment. It was written to sound great as a live song and it dose. I think it sounds to forced, too "hair band" on New Jersey and yes it's not as powerful live but I think it sounds all the better for it. Listen, I think the one thing the two of us can agree on is that One Wild Night Live is a piece of sh1t live album, especially coming from this band. I've seen performances of Bad Medicine in the last few years that could stand up easily to performances I've seen in the '90's. Although I have seen one or two really tired, boring performance during the Bounce Tour.


Phil

i didn't mean the production. productions are not "timeless" but songs are.
were you talking about the production in the first place?