No Bounce & Why Jon Hates Greatest Hist

Maybe the Bounce period still seems as a failure in Jon's eyes. There was huge hype and promotion for the record, it was produced to give the band a more modern sound to appeal to younger audiences, Tour was doing well but the album went largely ignored when compared to the numbers Crush did. And we know how Jon takes those failures, he loves Everyday and has said it numerous times, he loves Open All Night, and revisited Missunderstood on the LH tour so he still likes the album, it's just the biggest carrer disapointment he's had maybe......

I'm NOT saying this guy isn't deserving of anything. I'm implying that the Bounce songs were not included b/ JON does not want to pay this guy AGAIN for songs that will have no significance on the outcome of album sales, etc.

Billy is Jon's personal friend and this other guy is a professional song writer. I'm sure he doesn't come cheap. Look up his credentials.

As far as Max goes, he saved Jon's career and gave them a huge hit song. Mr. Carlsson was most liked hired to keep that flame going.

With all that said, you just added more support as to why I feel the Bounce songs were excluded. If Jon actually does like the Bounce songs, so then why were they excluded? It has come down to royalties

Aloha !

I did read your post. And those 3 different scenarios are going on in your mind. You made them up.

The band recorded TLFR in order to fullfil a contractual obligation. Jon promised the record company a record in 2003, went on to record acoustic live stuff but their live performances weren't up to par so the band went into the studio and re-recorded their greatest hits. It had nothing to do with them not wanting to pay producers again. It probably costs even more to hire a new producers for new songs than to repay them their share. Also, often producers just get their cut when the album is finished. They aren't part of the royalty scenario like a songwriter is.

That's scenario 1 wiped off the table.

Yes, those 2 songs because they had to come up with something from their early days, and yet they released the same stuff they'd released in 1998 and 1985. And that's because they started to record every live cut onwards from 1991. Not because they don't want Alec on the album. It's because they don't have every show from every tour before that year. That's the reason why there's only so few official Alec songs out there.

That's scenario 2 wiped off the table.

Why are you not including the Runaway guy? He co-wrote just as many songs as David Bryan did. Or as Billy Falcon did. What makes you think Karak therefore doesn't deserve his co-writing royalties? And who's up to say they're mediocre? You? According to you Jon won't release the songs off of Bounce because they're mediocre, yet Jon always seems to think that the higher a song charts the bigger it's right for a position in the set, and the better the song is. He doesn't measure the quality of a song by it's praise, he measures it by how many people have heard it. The more people have heard it, the bigger it's success. So why wouldn't Carlsson deserve it? He made sure that they had 2 big hits in 2002/2003, pretty much everyone knew Everyday back in those days, something Billy Falcon never achieved for them. He hired Carlsson, he did the job so therefore he doesn't deserve it?

I'm of the opinion that Misunderstood and Everyday both are better songs than When We Were Beautiful is, so according to your theory this means that I should say Falcon is some smuck who writes mediocre songs. They're co-writers. Jon and Richie have an idea, the co-writer makes it poppier or adds something. Martin, Carlsson, Falcon, Child, they're all co-writers, brought in to give them success. And Carlsson did exactly that.

So that's scenario 3 wiped off the table.

End of argument.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

It wouldn't be Jovitalk without conspiracy theories being shat out.

My eyes are tired from rolling while reading through this.

Here's some tinfoil.... You can make a shiny hat.

Short version.

Thanks for doing the work

When the fvck did I mention anything about royalties???

The Bounce album was hugely hyped and failed to ive up to expectations, that's it, it was the first time that had happened. Since These Days was a commercial failure in the US but it was MASSIVE worldwide, Bounce was the first record that failed (I know it did ok but by Jovi's standards it failed commercially). That's it, that is all, royaties or not, it's obvious they opted for other more obvious hits and leave the Bounce album off the table since it doesn't really represent Jovi at all anymore.....

Who the **** is Alex?

Ice

I'm going to make this short and sum it up before Bleeding Purist makes his tinfoil hat. (Whatever that is supposed to mean)


Sebastiaan,
All you did was throw facts together which mean absolutely nothing to my argument.
Scenario 1
We all already know that TLFR was supposed to be acoustic. And we also know that before that, the record co wanted a greatest hits. Not a new album. Producing TLFR or an Acoustic album would cost much less then paying all the different producers on all the different tracks on a GH album.
THIS WIPES YOUR ARGUMENT OFF THE TABLE

Scenario 2 - So you're saying there are no live recodings from the 80's that they could have thrown on OWN? Whatever
THIS WIPES YOUR ARGUMENT OFF THE TABLE

Scenario 3 - Include the Runaway guy then. It's completely pointless to my argument. I wasn't sure if he was credited on the GHs b/ I don't have it in front of me. That’s all
Okay. One More Time. Try to keep up. I said Jon didn't include the Bounce songs b/ the were "mediocre HITS" so b/ of that, it wasn't worth paying Royalties to that guy. Simple!!!!! All your other ramblings after that are pointless to this fact!!!!!!!
THIS WIPES YOUR ARGUMENT OFF THE TABLE

Javier,
I'll write in Spanish next time. Read it again and try to understand it. I never mentioned anything about you mentioning anything about royalties. That’s me saying because of X, it has to be about the royalties.

Enjoy Your Weekend My Jovi Friends……. For those going to the MSG shows, good luck getting your tickets…….

Yeah, I was wondering too..