Not liking certain songs because they question God.

Thomas Anderson · #31 08-03-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda

Where have you found that it says that marriage existed before religion?

Where have you found that says it isn't?

Marriage these days may be synonymous with religion, and even many non-religious people will have religious ceremonies for some odd reason - but it is a legally binding contract, that is how it began, and religions have adopted it and changed it for their own purposes. Marriage predates recorded history.

ticos_stick · #32 08-03-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

it is a legally binding contract, that is how it began.

Marriage predates recorded history.

You've contradicted yourself there.

Thomas Anderson · #33 08-04-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick

You've contradicted yourself there.

Not really. The earliest forms of marriage recorded didn't include religion, so that leaves two options; it started as a religious thing, then religion dropped it but it was adopted elsewhere and then religion re-adopted it later; or it didn't start as a religious thing and religion only picked it up later. Occam's razor.

Toño · #34 08-09-2012, 11:43 PM

I don't care about what songs you like or don't. I'm not disturbed about those songs being written or performed, what does really bothers me is the fact that persons like Seb care about what someone else's like, I mean, "if you don't like Hey God or Something To Believe In then there must be something wrong with you" I don't like them, so what?? and to tell the truth, I don't like them, not because they mention God, but the mood and vibe of the song theirselves. So, I don't like Hey God, but LOVE Bitter Wine (for instance), is there something wrong with me? maybe... but not about the music. Not liking Welcome To Wherever You Are just because you think the "God makes no mistakes" sentence is cheesy... well, I'd say not liking a song just because of that, that's dumb.

Toño · #35 08-09-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

Not really. The earliest forms of marriage recorded didn't include religion, so that leaves two options; it started as a religious thing, then religion dropped it but it was adopted elsewhere and then religion re-adopted it later; or it didn't start as a religious thing and religion only picked it up later. Occam's razor.

You're wrong here, not because of your statements of marriage, simply because ever since mankind existed, religion existed. Even the cavemen believed in certain Gods like Fire, Water, etc....

Thomas Anderson · #36 08-09-2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Toño

You're wrong here, not because of your statements of marriage, simply because ever since mankind existed, religion existed. Even the cavemen believed in certain Gods like Fire, Water, etc....

Even if that is true, it doesn't mean that marriage was created in a religious sense in it's initial stages.

Toño · #37 08-10-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

Even if that is true, it doesn't mean that marriage was created in a religious sense in it's initial stages.

We'd never get to a final agreement about that. Since old days mankind was more religious than nowadays, I'd dare to say it was based on a religious sense, but again, that's what I think, we need some hystory research here...

sweetmisery · #38 08-16-2012, 12:37 PM

Im a Roman Catholic, though I get turned off with a lot of so called Christians hypocrisy. That said, I still love "Hey God", we all lose our faith sometime(my wife cheated on me and Ive been there), I think Jon is just telling a story of how one who is down on his luck and who is about to or lost his faith.

Doesnt mean he is a real life Satanic/Atheist.

Supersonic · #39 08-16-2012, 12:50 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Toño

what does really bothers me is the fact that persons like Seb care about what someone else's like, I mean, "if you don't like Hey God or Something To Believe In then there must be something wrong with you" I don't like them, so what??

Ahem, I never said there is something wrong with someone not liking a certain song, however, if it's for religious reasons it's hypocritical, which is something I find rather silly.

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Originally Posted by Toño

Not liking Welcome To Wherever You Are just because you think the "God makes no mistakes" sentence is cheesy... well, I'd say not liking a song just because of that, that's dumb.

Why? I don't want a singer to sing stuff I absolutely despise and deem untrue as well. I don't want dragged God into my life, I try to keep God as far away as possible. And the line "god makes no mistakes" is doing the exact opposite.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Elvistico · #40 08-17-2012, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon

Not only that. Have they ever since produced a song that is as edgy (not sure if I found the right word here) as HG, lyrically, but moreso musically? I mean, times and sounds were different back then, but even in 1995 a song like HG didn't scream "hit". Quite the opposite. (Surprisingly it got released as a single.) It's my 2nd favourite BJ tune, but it's one that probably doesn't appeal to everyone (hence Jon saying in the WWWB book that it works well for him live, but not the majority of the audience), and it takes a couple of listens to 'get it' (I assume, since I 'got it' a looong time ago...).

Get what I mean? It might be compared to "Homebound Train" or "If I Was Your Mother". The category of songs your average housewife (or regular Joe - nothing against housewives at all) will probably skip while listening. I miss those songs that challenge the listener and not just play it safe. There's a reason why "Hey God" is my 2nd favourite song of all time.

It's not a hit because the song is not really 'hit material' + the length of the song does not make it radio friendly. Best proof BJ can and has written great songs with a deeper lyrical content than just singing 'it's my life'. ...

To go on topic again : shit, I don't believe in god and I'm not religious at all - should I now stop singing 'Hey God' cause if i think about this too literally, for me it's as insane as singing about any other thing that doesn't exist, for example, water that isn't wet

Lucky enough everyone can put meaning to those words and understand the story Jon is telling in that song. And it's brilliant.

Not liking certain songs because they question God.

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