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Old 09-22-2005, 08:42 PM
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Oddly enough, this article is mostly about Bon Jovi, so the title is a little misleading IMO.

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September 22, 2005
Rock and Country, Partners in Marketing
By KELEFA SANNEH

On Monday night, the remarkably durable 1980's band Bon Jovi became the first group to play the Nokia Theater, a notably uncozy new rock club in Times Square. The concert was a masterpiece of cross-promotion, designed to advertise the club, the club's sponsors, the band, the band's new album ("Have a Nice Day," released by Island Def Jam Records) and also, finally, America Online, which broadcast the performance at aol.com.

While Jon Bon Jovi encouraged his fans (not that they needed much prodding) to "Raise Your Hands" and "Keep the Faith," it was easy to marvel at how well the singer and his band have preserved themselves. The group's keyboard-driven hard rock has aged relatively well, and some of the new songs inspired the same excitement as the old ones. But it was easy, too, to wonder what happened to the once-dominant sub-genre that Bon Jovi once ruled. What happened to old-fashioned, unapologetic arena rock?

Here's the short answer: It went South. These days, if you want slick rock 'n' roll sing-alongs and triumphal power ballads, your best bet is probably country music.

Maybe Bon Jovi has already figured that out. Because as aol.com broadcasts the Nokia Theater concert online, the country-music cable network CMT is running a different Bon Jovi concert. This week fans can watch Bon Jovi in the latest installment of the CMT concert series "Crossroads," which matches rock stars with like-minded country stars. "Crossroads" is one of CMT's cleverest shows, a smart way to acknowledge the increasing overlap between old-fashioned rock 'n' roll and new-fangled country.

For its "Crossroads," Bon Jovi has been paired with the country trio Sugarland, and the two acts perform onstage together, trading vocals on songs from two not-very-different repertories. In between songs, Mr. Bon Jovi and his guitarist, Richie Sambora, chat with Sugarland's lead singer, Jennifer Nettles. In one of the best and most risible scenes, the three earnestly discuss the lyrical parallels between "You Give Love a Bad Name" and the Sugarland hit "Baby Girl."

This alliance between Bon Jovi and CMT is a clever marketing idea. It's also an acknowledgement of the current rock 'n' roll reality. If you look at the handful of rock songs on the pop charts this week, you'll notice that many of them brood (like "Wake Me Up When September Ends," by Green Day) or sneer (like "Sugar, We're Goin' Down," by Fall Out Boy). Suffice it to say that those aren't Bon Jovi's strengths.

It's been almost 15 years since people first started talking - semi-accurately - about the rise of melancholy grunge and the fall of exuberant hair-metal. (In Bon Jovi's case, the tag "hair-metal" was only half accurate; any 80's picture of the band should tell you which half.) The latest chapter in this story involves the rise of emo, the sad-punk sensibility that you can hear all over the place, from the theatrical poses of the Killers to the hyper-earnest love songs of Lifehouse. In this world, Bon Jovi lives on mainly as kitsch. (In fact, the emo-metal band Atreyu does a tongue-in-cheek version of "You Give Love a Bad Name.")

Meanwhile, in Nashville, there has been an unexpected resurrection. Garth Brooks taught a generation of country stars how to rock arenas, and acts ranging from Toby Keith (he did a "Crossroads" show with Aerosmith's Steven Tyler and Joe Perry, plus others) to Brooks & Dunn ("Crossroads" with ZZ Top) have perfected their own bombastic, rock-influenced live shows. Kenny Chesney ("Crossroads" with John Mellencamp), he of the recently broken marriage to Renée Zellweger, is essentially a cowboy-hatted arena-rock star, unafraid of oversized gestures. And then there's Keith Urban ("Crossroads" with John Fogerty), the Australian country star who should appeal to Bon Jovi fans everywhere: He's got a pretty face, a guitar around his neck and a string of anthemic country-rock hits.

Some of this can be traced back to country-rock's leading power couple: the personal and professional union between Shania Twain and Robert (Mutt) Lange, the producer who in the 1980's helped to make Def Leppard one of the world's biggest bands. Starting a decade ago, Ms. Twain and Mr. Lange have found addictive ways to combine their two specialties. There's no reason, after all, why a pop song can't crunch and twang at the same time.

To watch Bon Jovi and Sugarland on CMT is to be reminded that the two worlds haven't totally merged. When Ms. Nettleman took her turn on "Who Says You Can't Go Home," a rootsy bit of nostalgia from the new Bon Jovi album, she couldn't match Mr. Bon Jovi's rasp, though she compensated with elegant phrasing. Similarly, during Sugarland's "Something More," Mr. Bon Jovi couldn't match her nimble melodic ad-libs, though he compensated by adding texture, sometimes delivering more breath than melody. Still, there was more than enough overlap to justify the conceit. In fact, an absent-minded viewer might have had a hard time distinguishing "If you can look me in my eyes/ And tell me we'll be alright" from "Take my hand and we'll make it I swear."

Needless to say, no fiddle players or steel guitarists joined Bon Jovi for the Nokia concert. Unlike, say, Brett Michaels, the countrified former lead singer of Poison, Mr. Bon Jovi hasn't rededicated himself to a new genre. A few of the songs, like the album's rather unpleasant eponymous lead single, helped explain why rock fans moved on in the first place. But then, a few of the songs helped explain why country singers found something worth borrowing.

At one point, a woman in the crowd offered Mr. Bon Jovi something he didn't really need: a cowboy hat. But he played along anyway. He put it on and cracked a smile. Then, just as quickly, he doffed, handed it back, retousled his famous mane and got on with the show

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/ar...ic/22sann.html
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Thanks for posting Becky, a very interesting read. I really agree that Bon Jovi have got alot more in common with somebody like Keith Urban from this modern-country vibe then their rock peers. I think one of the reasons Bon Jovi suffered over the last couple of years to find a large audience is that they really don't fall into any main category that's popular at the moment. They're too heavy and too rock for pop and when they tried to stay rock and go pop (like Everyday) they not only didn't attract a pop audience, they ended up alienating the rock audience. So it was very hard for them to really find their niche in the market. However with this big movement in modern country in the States, Bon Jovi may well attract a whole new audience with a song like "Who Says......". I think I remember hearing from you (or maybe somebody on backstage) that even before the final tracklisting was announced, there was alot of intrest from KU fans in the song/album. I mean that was the first I heard of him and now I'm a fully fledged Keith fanatic, so no reason the same thing can't happen but in reverse. Get the Sugarland fans in, and maybe a resurgance in fans looking for good Bon Jovi rock songs and they could have a very successful album on their hands.

Anyway, that's enough of me pratteling on.....lol


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Hey Phil,

You would be surprised how many Bon Jovi topics have popped up on the Keith Urban boards this week. It's unreal! LOL There are a lot of his fans who are also Bon Jovi fans and while I've noticed that trend long before now, it's really coming to the forefront now that Bon Jovi is back with some new music. The CMT boards right now are filled with positive comments about Bon Jovi and the appearance with Crossroads.

The article makes a good point-- These days, if you want slick rock 'n' roll sing-alongs and triumphal power ballads, your best bet is probably country music. Today's country music sounds more like rock and roll and has the story telling, big hooks, catch choruses, and power ballads like the music I grew up with.

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That's cool that there's that much intrest. I was really dissapointed they didn't keep the Keith duet on "Who Says", not only for obviously selfish reasons but that particular duet could've done wonders for both artist in both Europe and America.
We don't get much country music over here but the few songs I've heard, I've liked. Tim McGraws "Live Like You Were Dying" is a good tune but I'm really all about Keith at the moment. I'm going to see him next month and I can't wait.

I'm off to New York next week, are there any albums you'd reccomend that are similar to Bon Jovi or Keith. Nothing too country, ya know!

Just out of intrest, what's a K.U.R.T. ?


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KURT=Keith Urban Road Trip

I'm disappointed about the duet for the same reason. It would have helped Keith break in Europe and would have been a guaranteed hit for Bon Jovi in the States. Well, that and the fact that my two favorite singers recorded together and it didn't get released.

How do you define "too country"? Keith Anderson is a new guy that I really like. I really like SheDaisy, but you might think they're too country. You'd probably like Montgomery Gentry. They're very rock influenced--have even covered Wanted Dead or Alive.

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Ok, gotcha. Well I've still got a spare ticket for Keith in Dublin, nice and tiny venue too, just 500 I think, so if you fancy a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong road trip.....lol.

It's hard to find somebody who wants to see "an american country singer". Ugh, if only they knew.

What's too country? I guess too country for me, would be somebody with a serious twang and the music is prodominately all banjo's. Country/Rock like KU is what I'm after. I think I'll keep an eye out for Montgomery Gentry.


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Ok, gotcha. Well I've still got a spare ticket for Keith in Dublin, nice and tiny venue too, just 500 I think, so if you fancy a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong road trip.....lol.

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Reallllllly ?????




You know that on french Bon Jovi forums they don't even know him ???? :s
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I myelf consider it to be an insult that they would compare modern
pop country with classic rock. I'm sorry, there are no Black Sabbath
and Van Halen in pop country. It may go back to the 50's and 60's
rock because it counts on simple catchy songs to attract fans.

Even then I wouldn't suggest comparing guys like Chuck Berry with
manufactured guys like Kenny Chesney or Toby Keith. I grew up on
country like The Oakridge Boys, Garth Brooks, Alabama etc.... Now,
I simple can't stand the stuff.
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