Official JBJ live stream concert (in support of Hampton Water) thread

faith1985 · #71 08-26-2020, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BJFan99

I've believed for a long time that this thing isn't as simple as it may seem. Jon can't be dealing with vocal (chord) issues only. His breathing while attempting to sing has gotten so problematic, not forgetting the total loss of any real tone and power on his speaking and especially shouting voice, that I'm really starting to think he's struggling with something more severe than just a damaged voice box.

Be it cardio, pulmonary or respiratory health problems or partially even psychological stuff, the guy just isn't OK. He needs help.

Maybe constantly hearing 'his voice sounds like crap' isn't helping?
I doubt that he has a serious illness, though. it is probably breathining and age on top of it. But I don't think it is as bad as people make it to be and the performance was pretty solid.

Supersonic · #72 08-26-2020, 11:23 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by faith1985

Maybe constantly hearing 'his voice sounds like crap' isn't helping?
But I don't think it is as bad as people make it to be and the performance was pretty solid.

Don't be daft. If his psyche can't handle the cricisism he shouldn't do a webcast and expose himself to so many people. An injured sports player isn't lined up in a full venue either.

It is as bad as people make it out to be. Bon Jovi fans have gotten used to the problems and dance around the issue by saying "But he's hit this or that high note so he's fine!".

His tone is gone. His mid range is gone, he has a lisp and he's constantly out of breath because he needs to avoid hitting that mid-range and then he gets out of tempo and has to skip words to make it to the next line. The way he paces himself sounds like he 's either passing out or having a stroke but yeah, apart from that the performance is solid.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

faith1985 · #73 08-26-2020, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Don't be daft. If his psyche can't handle the cricisism he shouldn't do a webcast and expose himself to so many people. An injured sports player isn't lined up in a full venue either.

It is as bad as people make it out to be. Bon Jovi fans have gotten used to the problems and dance around the issue by saying "But he's hit this or that high note so he's fine!".

His tone is gone. His mid range is gone, he has a lisp and he's constantly out of breath because he needs to avoid hitting that mid-range and then he gets out of tempo and has to skip words to make it to the next line. The way he paces himself sounds like he 's either passing out or having a stroke but yeah, apart from that the performance is solid.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Yes, the pacing isn't perfect but to say his mid-range is totally gone is just not true. If it were gone, he couldn't sing at all. His tone and range have changed but that doesn't make it as bad as you portrait it. But yeah, only your opinion is transporting facts while others are always wrong.

Some parts sound warm and full, while there are others were I do not like the tone. In the end, i do not need perfection, just a voice that can move me or I can enjoy. And I did that with the performance so why should I complain of him not having the voice he had 35 years ago? His tone has change, a lot of his range is gone but parts of his voice sound better and warmer to me than they did 25 years ago also.

liljovi93 · #74 08-26-2020, 02:06 PM

It's simple really. If you enjoyed it, great. If you didn't, that's fine.

I enjoyed it. Was it perfect? No and it probably won't ever be again but that doesn't mean some performances can't move us or be enjoyable.

Said it time and time again that I was dreading the summer shows because of how bad Jon sounded but when I was there, I loved every minute.

People will say that those stay around in the hope that Jon sounds good or that he hits something semi decent it's blown into a big deal but it works the other way. Those who are apparently no longer a fan of the band post more on here and twitter than current fans.

This forum is just the same thing every thread now.

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faith1985 · #75 08-26-2020, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93

It's simple really. If you enjoyed it, great. If you didn't, that's fine.

I enjoyed it. Was it perfect? No and it probably won't ever be again but that doesn't mean some performances can't move us or be enjoyable.

Said it time and time again that I was dreading the summer shows because of how bad Jon sounded but when I was there, I loved every minute.

People will say that those stay around in the hope that Jon sounds good or that he hits something semi decent it's blown into a big deal but it works the other way. Those who are apparently no longer a fan of the band post more on here and twitter than current fans.

This forum is just the same thing every thread now.

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Agreed. It often depends on what you are focusing on. We see what we want to see. Here you have to defend yourself when you enjoy a performance or song.

liljovi93 · #76 08-26-2020, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985

Agreed. It often depends on what you are focusing on. We see what we want to see. Here you have to defend yourself when you enjoy a performance or song.

Yeah. I'm just as critical as anyone else, especially on Twitter but I stand by my point that we can enjoy different things too. I really enjoyed Mr Brightside, for more than just vocals. That seems to be a bad thing around here.

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BJFan99 · #77 08-26-2020, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Don't be daft. If his psyche can't handle the cricisism he shouldn't do a webcast and expose himself to so many people. An injured sports player isn't lined up in a full venue either.

It is as bad as people make it out to be. Bon Jovi fans have gotten used to the problems and dance around the issue by saying "But he's hit this or that high note so he's fine!".

His tone is gone. His mid range is gone, he has a lisp and he's constantly out of breath because he needs to avoid hitting that mid-range and then he gets out of tempo and has to skip words to make it to the next line. The way he paces himself sounds like he 's either passing out or having a stroke but yeah, apart from that the performance is solid.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

What's concerning me the most is that he seems to have completely lost his pitch control, no matter how high or low the notes are. It's like he can't coordinate his voice to hold basically any note cleanly nowadays, struggles to switch registers and modify his vocal inflections, and just sounds monotone overall.

musiccritic101 · #78 08-27-2020, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BJFan99

What's concerning me the most is that he seems to have completely lost his pitch control, no matter how high or low the notes are. It's like he can't coordinate his voice to hold basically any note cleanly nowadays, struggles to switch registers and modify his vocal inflections, and just sounds monotone overall.

It's pretty obvious by Jon's lack of pitch control and poor breath technique is that Jon probably had vocal cord surgery sometime before the THINFS Tour because between 2014 to late 2016 Jon still maintained that recognizable tone in his voice. But once the tour started Jon's voice lost any recognizable tone and pitch control and along came the breathe control issues.

It's basically the only thing that explains Jon's present vocal state. But of course it could have been the years of smoking probably finally caught up with him.

BJFan99 · #79 08-27-2020, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by musiccritic101

It's pretty obvious by Jon's lack of pitch control and poor breath technique is that Jon probably had vocal cord surgery sometime before the THINFS Tour because between 2014 to late 2016 Jon still maintained that recognizable tone in his voice. But once the tour started Jon's voice lost any recognizable tone and pitch control and along came the breathe control issues.

It's basically the only thing that explains Jon's present vocal state. But of course it could have been the years of smoking probably finally caught up with him.

Yeah, that’s what I think about it for the most part as well.

jovifan93 · #80 08-27-2020, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by musiccritic101

It's pretty obvious by Jon's lack of pitch control and poor breath technique is that Jon probably had vocal cord surgery sometime before the THINFS Tour because between 2014 to late 2016 Jon still maintained that recognizable tone in his voice. But once the tour started Jon's voice lost any recognizable tone and pitch control and along came the breathe control issues.

It's basically the only thing that explains Jon's present vocal state. But of course it could have been the years of smoking probably finally caught up with him.

Hmm, but how does that fit with the poor 2015/2016 shows, and the lyrics of God Bless This Mess ("my voice is shot")? If you rewatch older shows (from 2010 onwards), it's clear to see that there was a slight decline from 2010 to 2011, a bigger decline to 2013 and an even bigger decline to 2015/2016. But the whole clinging to the mic as if his life depends on it was already present at 2013, if not earlier.

So I think it's more of a psychological issue (insecurity) combined with decline due to age, smoking and most of all overusing his voice in the latter half of the 2013 tour.

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