[Thinny]

No not at all, I believe that Jon is doing everything within his power to do the best he can vocally, and I can't say enough about how much I respect him for that. However, I feel that the damage is done and there is only so much that you can do with what he has left....the whole stress excuse is just grating on me. It has more to do with his lack of looking after his voice over the years...too late now I'm afraid

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Thinny

No not at all, I believe that Jon is doing everything within his power to do the best he can vocally, and I can't say enough about how much I respect him for that. However, I feel that the damage is done and there is only so much that you can do with what he has left....the whole stress excuse is just grating on me. It has more to do with his lack of looking after his voice over the years...too late now I'm afraid

I agree... I think part of his stress comes from his voice... but what most people are saying is, when Jon is relaxed he sings better...I think it's pretty clear on most videos...

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[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by BJFan99

By the way, has Seb always been as rude as he was towards me on his previous post? I mean, it's clear that he's no longer the kind of a fan he used to be, but I don't appreciate it turning into disrespect towards the people that still somehow believe in Jon and the band (like me).

Lol...

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[DavetheGodofKeys]

Originally Posted by BJFan99

Welcome back, Seb!

Thank you for your polite and thoughtful answer. I appreciate it very much. I don't know you and you don't know me, but I can safely say that I also think Jon's voice sucks ass now in general, but I - for one - haven't thrown the towel in regarding him or the band yet.

However, have you thought about all the stressing things Jon's been going through during the last 4-5 years? The recent times haven't been easy for him to take, and I'm sure that he feels really bad about sounding this poor, as we all know him being a perfectionist.

Also, his voice went downhill exceptionally (dare I say, unnaturally) fast back in 2013. How do you explain that? I mean, he was still sounding somewhat tolerable in March/April - at times even in June, like during the encore in Milan - and then horrendous in July. How do you explain that? Or were the best vocal performances in June (especially Love's The Only Rule, These Days and This Ain't A Love Song - for the most part, Always sounded rather poor back then already) "Jon putting on 120% effort in an unsustainable way", as Walleris often calls Jon's effort on the more demanding stuff?

Let's see.

These renditions of TD and TAALS don't sound that bad:

https://youtu.be/FJjFwnsFw7g

https://youtu.be/8HfPJN-ocok

These versions of I'll Be There For You and Always do. Actually, they sound horrible:

https://youtu.be/B4uWJBUoglI

https://youtu.be/9hVGvxrh3dw

Can this level of vocal deterioration be natural in such a short time? I mean, it's been more than four years since the end of the BWC tour, and Jon still doesn't sound any better. I honestly think he needs to recover from something more difficult or severe than your average technique-related vocal problems.

I think that its because Jon's stressed.

[Santa Fe]

Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys

I think that its because Jon's stressed.

Yes lol
He always is

[BJFan99]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Lol...

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What is exactly funny about my question? I understand, I set the question about whether optimistic fans - such as me - are complete morons all by myself (and I think Seb may have meant his reply as sarcastic), but it still felt somewhat harsh, at least for me. After all, many fans are still optimistic, both on this board and outside it. Does Seb have the same attitude towards everyone who likes/enjoys the Bon Jovi and the JBJ of today? I'm just wondering.

[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by BJFan99

By the way, has Seb always been as rude as he was towards me on his previous post?...

Yes.

(Welcome back, Sebbie! You've been missed!!)

[Thierry]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Jon just sang Thank You For Loving Me... I'm sure a better version will surface... here is this for now... Not that bad of a vocal. Significant Improvement...

Married couple dances and listen to a Bon Jovi performance in New Year?s Day with Steve Harvey - YouTube

A+ for trying this song. But the vocals are horrific.

[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by BJFan99

... Does Seb have the same attitude towards everyone who likes - or at least accepts - the JBJ of today? I'm just wondering.

BJFan, Seb has the same attitude towards everyone, period. It's part of what makes him loveable. I think most people here have found themselves on the receiving end of Seb's cynicism at one time or another, myself included. But I can't recall when he's actually been rude to anyone. Blunt? Yes. Opinionated? Absolutely. But rude? Not so much. And certainly not with a one-word response. Trust me, it can get much worse.

That door swings both ways, though. I've seen some people come down on others like a ton of bricks for stating negative opinions, too. And they can be just as rude, if not more so. There have been plenty of posts implying that others shouldn't even post here if they think so little of Jon, basically telling them to go away if that's the way they feel. (And I say Jon, specifically, because no one seems to have a problem with negativity about others in the band, or Bobby, or even Shanks.)

I realize that it's none of my business but, tbh, I think you guys were a little harsh with Walleris, the way you kept on him even after he admitted he could have toned down his post somewhat. But that's just my opinion.

[Supersonic]

Aloha !

Originally Posted by BJFan99

However, have you thought about all the stressing things Jon's been going through during the last 4-5 years?

Yes.

Originally Posted by BJFan99

By the way, has Seb always been as rude as he was towards me on his previous post?

Yes.

Originally Posted by BJFan99

Does Seb have the same attitude towards everyone who likes/enjoys the Bon Jovi and the JBJ of today? I'm just wondering.

Yes.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan