[bonjovi90]

Autumn 1991 definitely was when the music landscape in terms of rock changed overnight. Bon Jovi had talked about it in interviews, the recent Scorpions documentary that I saw the other night stated just the same.
That it's not represented in the charts of 1991 doesn't mean too much. You Give Love A Bad Name hadn't reached number 1 until four months after its release, yet Bon Jovi were on their way to superstardom at that point already.

By that time frame, young people seemed to be fed up with those pompous 80's rock stars and that image and the Seattle scene had been creeping up slowly since the late 80's. There was a longing for a change and Richie didn't fit in that time frame, his sound wasn't appealing to people outside a certain niche at all.

VH1 News Special: Grunge - YouTube

That documentary explains quite well how the phenomenon Grunge unfolded when Nevermind ripped up the charts in late 1991.
So it's rather logical that any initial launch the record company had for Richie's album could've been dropped shortly after that.

[Rdkopper]

It didn't... trust me... I lived through it...overnight doesn't literally mean overnight... it was a six month window overnight that starts late 1991 bit didn't really hit hard until first quarter of 1992... Stranger was done by that time...

I already gave you all the charts in 1991.

Smells Like Teen Spirit was not in the top 100 singles in 1991 and Nevermind was not in the top 100 albums...

Nirvana started it but didn't solely kill the 80's bands... it's not like an atomic bomb went off when the first single dropped... it takes time...

[Captain_jovi]

Thinny has provided direct evidence backing up the timeline, what's the point in arguing it? FWIW I think Grunge killed his changes and similar acts and not the label/Jon.

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Thinny has provided direct evidence backing up the timeline, what's the point in arguing it? FWIW I think Grunge killed his changes and similar acts and not the label/Jon.

WTF dude... what evidence... why do you always have to be such a ****ing jerkoff all the time... I'm giving you the ****ing billboard charts... what else do you ****ing need...

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[Rdkopper]

I really don't give a **** what you guys want to believe... I'm giving you factual evidence that Stranger was not impacted by grunge... if you want to believe that, go for it...

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[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

You Give Love A Bad Name hadn't reached number 1 until four months after its release, yet Bon Jovi were on their way to superstardom at that point already.

This makes absolutely zero sense. You practically contradict yourself here.

Bon Jovi were on their 3rd commercial release and had modest success with Runaway and In And Out Of Love. They were already established when Slippery hit.

And how do you quantify "on their way to superstardom"?

What made Slipped was Bad Name and then Prayer blew it out of the park.
Prior to that, they were just a modest band on their way to superstardom just like Nirvana was a modest band on their way to superstardom when Smells Like Teen Spirit hit.

[Captain_jovi]

Breathe dude, just breathe. No one flew off the handle on you, have the respect do to the same. Thinny has mentioned in the past his connections to the music industry. He gave a pretty revealing anecdote and it relates to the era we're talking about. So yeah, I'm more likely to believe someone associated with labels versus someone googling charts. That's me. Others won't.

It's really funny your signature says you're a professional fan when you fly off the handle when people disagree with you about anything. Not everyone has to see things your way, life moves on.

EDIT: https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...irvana-brought This article here talks about how it started the grunge movement in 91. No it didn't hit hard until 91 but I believe artists started getting SIGNED and labels started adapting to the next big wave.

[bonjovi90]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

This makes absolutely zero sense. You practically contradict yourself here.

I actually just pointed out there why you don't see Nirvana on the charts up high in 1991, yet their impact was already there. Bad Name wasn't too be seen high on the Billboard charts until November, yet it had made an impact on the music scene in the months prior and changed the way radio programmed itself in terms of rock music quite rapidly (direct quote by Jon in the Ultimate Albums special).

And yes - Grunge killed most of the 80s bands and their respective music at that time. Pretty much every band from that era has stated so.


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[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Breathe dude, just breathe. No one flew off the handle on you, have the respect do to the same. Thinny has mentioned in the past his connections to the music industry. He gave a pretty revealing anecdote and it relates to the era we're talking about. So yeah, I'm more likely to believe someone associated with labels versus someone googling charts. That's me. Others won't.

It's really funny your signature says you're a professional fan when you fly off the handle when people disagree with you about anything. Not everyone has to see things your way, life moves on.

I don't give a **** about his connections. I'm telling you exactly how it was and I'm always right. Google the charts, read Wikipedia.

"Grunge fashion began to break into mainstream fashion in mid-1992 for both sexes and peaked in late 1993 and early 1994"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge

It's common sense bro. It's like any new music / band that hits. Songs need to gain momentum. Nirvana was a brand new band and SLTS was a new single. Realistically, it took a few months to get mainstream.

Stranger was already released, promoted, and squashed by their label before most people ever heard the name Nirvana. Fact... I'm giving you real, accurate information... You want to believe" Thinny's connection" go for it!!!

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I actually just pointed out there why you don't see Nirvana on the charts up high in 1991, yet their impact was already there.

NO IT WASN'T!!!!! Their impact wasn't there in early 1991 (Sept, Oct, Nov)

I never said that Grunge didn't kill most of the 80s bands and their respective music. I'm just adjusting the timeline from late 1991 to early 1992...

FINAL POST!!! AND I'M 100% RIGHT... Believe what you want!!!