[JackieBlue]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

So for a label who didn't back Stranger In This Town, they provided the following: (Keep in mind that 90% of this was before Smells Like Teen Spirit became a mainstream hit)...

3 Singles with Videos:
Ballad of Youth - Release in August
One Light Burning
Stranger in This Town (Song)

Mr. Bluesman was released as a promo single
The "Answer" and "Rosie" were also released as promo singles in Japan.

Promo Appearances:
David Letterman
Arsenio Hall
MTV - Multiple
Rock-line
The Friday Rock Show
BBC Radio 1

Tour:
August 28th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, New York, USA
November 11th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, Moore theater, Seattle
November 13th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, San Francisco
November 15th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, Phoenix
November 16th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, Spreckles Theater, San Diego
November 19th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, UCLA Royce Hall, Los Angeles
November 23rd, 1991 - Richie Sambora, Riviera, Chicago
November 26th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, The Academy, New York
November 29th, 1991 - Richie Sambora, Count Basie Theater, Red Bank
December 1st, 1991 - Richie Sambora, Center Stage, Atlanta
October 10th, 1992 - Richie Sambora, Pecos Theater, San Diego, USA

I love this album. It's without a doubt in my top 10 but I'm going to call it what it is...

Does this mean the topic is open for discussion again?(EDIT: Oops! I guess not. Just saw this: "FINAL POST111 AND I'M 100% RIGHT..." Sor-ree!)

RDK, I wasn't disagreeing with you and I clearly stated that it was 'speculation'. Here's the quote from Marolda and a link to Faceman's post about what Reesman had to say.

Tommy Marolda (Songwriter/Musician): “I owned a recording studio in New Jersey where many future stars were cutting their teeth. Guys from Springsteen’s band, Smithereens, Nan Mancini, and that’s how I met Richie Sambora at the tender age of 16. He was quite flashy on the guitar and I remember him singing a demo for me called ‘One Light Burning’ which he later recorded for his solo record.

‘Ballad of Youth’ was written at the last minute in the old A&M recording Studio in LA. When Richie is in work mode, he’s unstoppable and very creative.

This song [‘One Light Burning’] was pouring out of the both of us at the time. I was pleased to see it hit the charts as well, but I’m not sure who put the brakes on its upward climb. That may have been the demise of Bon Jovi had it become a huge hit…

Reesman:
https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/bon-j...st1239355.html



You might also want to incorporate this into those 100% correct 'label supported' tour dates you got going on up there.

Sambora, 32, couldn't have done a lavish tour anyway. The audience just isn't there, what with the recession rocking the concert business and his album being snubbed by Top 40 radio.

"I probably couldn't have picked a worse time to tour, but I had to do it while the album is still current," he said.

While this isn't a princely rock tour, Sambora said that he's not skimping on the show's production values or musicians:

"People are used to elaborate Bon Jovi shows and a certain quality, and I'm associated with that. I have an image to uphold, so the whole thing can't look tacky. Excellent lights, good equipment, quality musicians--they don't come cheap."

He should know. He's footing the bill for much of the tour. "If I wanted to tour I had no choice but use some of my own money," he said. "I'll lose money--probably a lot of money."

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-11-...282_1_bon-jovi

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

NO IT WASN'T!!!!! Their impact wasn't there in early 1991 (Sept, Oct, Nov)

I never said that Grunge didn't kill most of the 80s bands and their respective music. I'm just adjusting the timeline from late 1991 to early 1992...

FINAL POST!!! AND I'M 100% RIGHT... Believe what you want!!!

See this is why no one wants to reason with you. Right there. "I'm right" "Final post" "end of discussion". Next time you question why people don't listen to you or gang up on you remember this post.

The best part is this isn't your board and I hope this discussion goes on forever. If you had an ounce of humility this discussion could be fun and interesting, instead you're a big part of why this board can be terrible.

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

I don't give a **** about his connections. I'm telling you exactly how it was and I'm always right. Google the charts, read Wikipedia.

"Grunge fashion began to break into mainstream fashion in mid-1992 for both sexes and peaked in late 1993 and early 1994"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge

It's common sense bro. It's like any new music / band that hits. Songs need to gain momentum. Nirvana was a brand new band and SLTS was a new single. Realistically, it took a few months to get mainstream.

Stranger was already released, promoted, and squashed by their label before most people ever heard the name Nirvana. Fact... I'm giving you real, accurate information... You want to believe" Thinny's connection" go for it!!!

Read my posts. I posted a link about how Nirvana entered the charts in 91 which lines up perfectly what people are disagreeing with you about. P

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

Does this mean the topic is open for discussion again?(EDIT: Oops! I guess not. Just saw this: "FINAL POST111 AND I'M 100% RIGHT..." Sor-ree!)

RDK, I wasn't disagreeing with you and I clearly stated that it was 'speculation'. Here's the quote from Marolda and a link to Faceman's post about what Reesman had to say.



Reesman:
https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/bon-j...st1239355.html



You might also want to incorporate this into those 100% correct 'label supported' tour dates you got going on up there.



http://articles.latimes.com/1991-11-...282_1_bon-jovi

The post was two fold... I was showing what the label paid for in terms of singles and videos and I was also showing all the promo he did...

The label obviously didn't pay for his David Letterman interview either...

Bottom line, the first single is key... and the second is do or die... The fact that they even gave him a third is unheard of...Richie failed quickly on all singles and that's why the label stopped supporting him... PERIOD

It had nothing to do with grunge... Richie was catapulted into mainstream because of Bon Jovi... Nirvana had to prove themselves... there was ZERO competition there...

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[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Read my posts. I posted a link about how Nirvana entered the charts in 91 which lines up perfectly what people are disagreeing with you about. P

If you read your own ****ing article... it's number one on the 'alternative music charts' and considering that wasn't really a thing yet, it means absolutely nothing... Richie was mainstream, that's his competition. Not some ****ing underground alternative band

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[bonjovi90]

It rather comes across that you're bitter because grunge knocked your favorite music era out of the mainstream.

Your point on Richie getting three singles is valid, but it may have also been contractual obligations or their desperate try to rescue something from an album that wasn't made for hits.
But, and here's another theory, the album might've suffered from Nevermind nonetheless. That needed about three months to really make an impact and Slippery actually had taken about the same amount of time to do so as well.
Not all albums are instant hits, some are growers. Richie's album didn't get the chance to grow because with three month in, the music landscape had undergone one of its biggest changes.
The record company may have actually seen that coming and hence squeezed out singles in the desperate attempt to reimburse some of the money spent on it.

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[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

It rather comes across that you're bitter because grunge knocked your favorite music era out of the mainstream.

Your point on Richie getting three singles is valid, but it may have also been contractual obligations or their desperate try to rescue something from an album that wasn't made for hits.
But, and here's another theory, the album might've suffered from Nevermind nonetheless. That needed about three months to really make an impact and Slippery actually had taken about the same amount of time to do so as well.
Not all albums are instant hits, some are growers. Richie's album didn't get the chance to grow because with three month in, the music landscape had undergone one of its biggest changes.
The record company may have actually seen that coming and hence squeezed out singles in the desperate attempt to reimburse some of the money spent on it.

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Let me paint the picture for you during 1991.

This was a time when the harder rock bands were really taking over. It was becoming cool to hate Bon Jovi even though they still had a huge fan base. Guns and Roses had two new albums that were waiting to be released that September and You Could Be Mine was the song on the summer promoting the Terminator 2. Metallica had that same thing going on with The Black album being released that August. Probably Two (Three) of the biggest albums in the world to this very day being released at this time.

That's who and what Richie was up against. Now Pretty Boy Richie Sambora comes in with his Ballad Of Youth... He really didn't stand a chance...

On the lighter mainstream side, the was a little artist called Michael Jackson releasing a small album called Dangerous that November. Oh, lets not forget there were also another band called U2 releasing Achtung Baby that December as well..

There was just no room for Richie Sambora... Nirvana had zero to do with any of it and although they were developing their name and respect, they really didn't take over the world until the following summer.

[Thinny]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Wrong...It took a year for grunge to gain momentum and popularity... it's not like the album dropped and the next day it was over... Ballad Of Youth was released a month before the album when Paul Abdul, Brian Adams, Dam Yankees, Fire House were still having hit singles... Google hit songs from 1991 and Nirvana is no where to be seen on those charts... Here I'll do it for you...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill...ingles_of_1991

It started with Smells Like Teen Spirit becoming a mainstream hit in 1992 and then other grunge bands gained momentum from that point. It was a progression like a domino effect. Stranger was already done by the time all this happened... KTF however fell victim to all this... but they still managed to get some success with BOR, In These Arms, and later with Always...

Do you know how much money and investment went into making Nirvana so huge? A lot....the labels plan things well in advance. Once Nirvana started gaining traction, yes in 1991 (Smells Like Teen Spirit began to hit at radio in August 1991, by November it had been a top 10 single all over the world...they may not have taken over yet, but they were well on the way), that's when the labels saw that there was a change coming and shifted focus towards the grunge bands. Of course they still had stuff going on with more 80s rock bands with schemes that they had in place before hand, however, they stopped funelling money into it well before 1992....unless you were one of the giants (GNR, etc)

In fact, do you remember the 80s' rock magazine RIP?! There was a gig for that magazine, in 1991, which the band I work with played...the rest of the line up? Spinal Tap, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Screaming Jets, Soundgarden. The tide had already changed....

[Thinny]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

This was a time when the harder rock bands were really taking over. It was becoming cool to hate Bon Jovi even though they still had a huge fan base. Guns and Roses had two new albums that were waiting to be released that September and You Could Be Mine was the song on the summer promoting the Terminator 2. Metallica had that same thing going on with The Black album being released that August. Probably Two (Three) of the biggest albums in the world to this very day being released at this time.

That's who and what Richie was up against. Now Pretty Boy Richie Sambora comes in with his Ballad Of Youth... He really didn't stand a chance...

On the lighter mainstream side, the was a little artist called Michael Jackson releasing a small album called Dangerous that November. Oh, lets not forget there were also another band called U2 releasing Achtung Baby that December as well..

I don't think a Richie Sambora solo album was ever competing against Michael Jackson or even Metallica and GNR. The guitarist of a rock band, however successful, is rarely going to be that mainstream. Look at Joe Perry's solo albums for instance. A Jon solo album, sure, but not an RS solo album, even in 1991! He was competing against the mid sized rock acts of that time, not the giants.

[bwehehehe]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Let me paint the picture for you during 1991.

This was a time when the harder rock bands were really taking over. It was becoming cool to hate Bon Jovi even though they still had a huge fan base. Guns and Roses had two new albums that were waiting to be released that September and You Could Be Mine was the song on the summer promoting the Terminator 2. Metallica had that same thing going on with The Black album being released that August. Probably Two (Three) of the biggest albums in the world to this very day being released at this time.

That's who and what Richie was up against. Now Pretty Boy Richie Sambora comes in with his Ballad Of Youth... He really didn't stand a chance...

On the lighter mainstream side, the was a little artist called Michael Jackson releasing a small album called Dangerous that November. Oh, lets not forget there were also another band called U2 releasing Achtung Baby that December as well..

There was just no room for Richie Sambora... Nirvana had zero to do with any of it and although they were developing their name and respect, they really didn't take over the world until the following summer.

Uhm...Achtung Baby and Dangerous came out within days of each other, and definitely within the same month. Not to mention Freddie Mercury died between the release of both albums.