[Xavi]

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I've had this feeling many times that, especially the majority of Bon Jovi crowds, are completely ignorant towards any other musical directions. It's similar at shows of other mainstream pop/rock bands, but rarely as distinct as with Bon Jovi's audience.

It happens with every fan base of big artist.
If you see Bruce Springsteen,U2,Stones etc fan base,they dont see beyond those artists.
I think Bruce Springsteen fans are the most closed fans out of all those people.

[Supersonic]

Aloha !

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I've had this feeling many times that, especially the majority of Bon Jovi crowds, are completely ignorant towards any other musical directions. It's similar at shows of other mainstream pop/rock bands, but rarely as distinct as with Bon Jovi's audience.

I don't think it's a problem with Bon Jovi fans, it's got something to do with people who've just stopped expanding their horizon and focus on one thing and one thing only. I've run into these kind of people plenty of times. Aerosmith, Bryan Adams and the entitled fans of U2... It happens with a lot of bands who've had a lot of hits. The die hards expect the same format over and over and over and ignore everything that's remotely different.

They've settled for something they grew up with and then never looked any further. It's why most Bon Jovi fans don't listen to indie bands - it's too different and doesn't fit the format. The fact that Bon Jovi nick and steal their updates from most indie bands goes beyond them, they've never heard of those bands anyway let alone see a concert by another act other than Bon Jovi.

In a way it's the same with people who always go on holiday to the same location and then get upset when an experienced traveler tells them some things are better at other places. They've never experienced anything else but surely they can't be wrong about their little piece of heaven?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

[Alphavictim]

Originally Posted by Supersonic

The fact that Bon Jovi nick and steal their updates from most indie bands goes beyond them, they've never heard of those bands anyway let alone see a concert by another act other than Bon Jovi.

More mind reading I see? I think BJ share their audience with Aerosmith and Bryan Adams, why would BJ be the only band these people have ever seen live?

And the indie bands Jon steals from are all over the radio.

[Supersonic]

Aloha !

Originally Posted by Alphavictim

More mind reading I see? I think BJ share their audience with Aerosmith and Bryan Adams, why would BJ be the only band these people have ever seen live?

Because that's just the way it is. Die hards of big bands being up to speed by what's happening outside of their world is rare. I'm not saying they don't but how often do you come across someone who has visited 3 Bryan Adams shows on one tour and does the same thing for Bon Jovi & Aerosmith? If you see one Aerosmith show you'll be blown away by the spectacle. If you see 3 you'll notice when Steven Tyler and Joe Perry are fighting again. If you see one Bryan Adams show during which he'll play "A request" you'll appreciate this spontaneous thing. Once you see 3 during which he'll play the same request you'll realize it's all planned.

And the indie bands Jon steals from are all over the radio.

The indie bands Jon steals his ideas from do not get the (heavy) airplay on the radio stations your usual Bon Jovi die hard listens to. They listen to your typical "best of the eighties and nineties" radio channels or pop radio. Indie bands do not get played on those stations because they're just not big enough for them.

So no, it's got nothing to do with reading minds but simply by following their marketing plans. Whenever a radio station sponsors Bon Jovi or Bon Jovi does (or did) promo shows it was always on the big pop stations. It's never alternative radio showing interest. Whenever Bon Jovi had an alternative rock band tour with them Bon Jovi die hards strongly disliked them. Toploader, Stereophonics, Live, Matchbox 20, Biffy Clyro... None of them were well-received. None of these bands have had a string of big hits like Bon Jovi had. But did Bon Jovi steal from them? Absolutely. Can you convince a Bon Jovi die hard of this? Absolutely not. "It'S a CoÏnCiDeNcE".

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

[Alphavictim]

Originally Posted by Supersonic

Because that's just the way it is. Die hards of big bands being up to speed by what's happening outside of their world is rare. I'm not saying they don't but how often do you come across someone who has visited 3 Bryan Adams shows on one tour and does the same thing for Bon Jovi & Aerosmith? If you see one Aerosmith show you'll be blown away by the spectacle. If you see 3 you'll notice when Steven Tyler and Joe Perry are fighting again. If you see one Bryan Adams show during which he'll play "A request" you'll appreciate this spontaneous thing. Once you see 3 during which he'll play the same request you'll realize it's all planned.

Wait, so were are just talking about die hards who travel along with the band now? You said fans of the band. In fact, the original quote said:

I've had this feeling many times that, especially the majority of Bon Jovi crowds, are completely ignorant towards any other musical directions. It's similar at shows of other mainstream pop/rock bands, but rarely as distinct as with Bon Jovi's audience.

This is what this was all about. So the majority of BJ crowds = die hards who travel along with the band? Or did you make this about sth else?

Originally Posted by Supersonic

The indie bands Jon steals his ideas from do not get the (heavy) airplay on the radio stations your usual Bon Jovi die hard listens to. They listen to your typical "best of the eighties and nineties" radio channels or pop radio. Indie bands do not get played on those stations because they're just not big enough for them.

I am not sure why you keep mentioning the "indie" genre name, because the most blatant thievery I can remember from the past 20 years is from bands like Coldplay, My Chemical Romance, Nickelback, Mumford & Sons, Fun, Tom Petty, The Rolling Stones... and these bands were all not "indie" in the sense of independent since, yeah, even the typical "the best of the 80s, 90s and today's hits" radio stations plays them/played them when they were hot. (Not to mention that sound-wise, some aren't at all, either.) It does not take alternative radio to play these acts.

So you think JBJ deliberately steals from succesful acts he assumes his fan base is unaware of? He stole from Tom Petty FFS, is he indie / unknown / out of the average BJ fan's reach, too?

[Supersonic]

Aloha !

Originally Posted by Alphavictim

This is what this was all about. So the majority of BJ crowds = die hards who travel along with the band? Or did you make this about sth else?

I've never said anything about travelling along with the band. If I'm seeing a show in Germany, one in Belgium and in The Netherlands I'm hardly travelling along with the band unless you feel travelling from Frankfurt to Stuttgart requiers you to pack your thong, toothbrush and teddybear?

Originally Posted by Alphavictim

I am not sure why you keep mentioning the "indie" genre name, because the most blatant thievery I can remember from the past 20 years is from bands like Coldplay, My Chemical Romance, Nickelback, Mumford & Sons, Fun, Tom Petty, The Rolling Stones... and these bands were all not "indie" in the sense of independent since, yeah, even the typical "the best of the 80s, 90s and today's hits" radio stations plays them/played them when they were hot. (Not to mention that sound-wise, some aren't at all, either.) It does not take alternative radio to play these acts.

So you think JBJ deliberately steals from succesful acts he assumes his fan base is unaware of? He stole from Tom Petty FFS, is he indie / unknown / out of the average BJ fan's reach, too?

Most of your examples did not get played on these radio stations back then. For Crush, Bon Jovi stole its sound from Stereophonics, Oasis and the likes. Sure, I agree, they're not indie. Let's say alternative instead? Their big hits eventually did get airplay but really, how many Bon Jovi fans can come up with anything other than Wonderwall when it comes to Britpop?

The same goes for the NuMetal or Post Grunge influences on Bounce. Some will know In the End by Linkin Park. Maybe With Arms Wide Open by Creed? But that's about it, really. Every other band from that era (Audioslave, Puddle of Mud, Staind) is mostly unknown territory for your average Bon Jovi fan.

With the small revival of regular guitar bands around 2004, My Chemical Romance and A.A.R. were a major influence on Bon Jovi. Neither broke it big like the pop acts from that time did but both bands had huge hits on alternative rock radio. On which Bon Jovi wasn't played. They never had the cross-over succes of Coldplay, Nickelback and Bon Jovi though, and were never on anyone's radar here unless Bon Jovi made said band their support act.

This is why critics, who do listen to various stuff, hear the influences and most Bon Jovi fans do not. It's also why Bon Jovi fans get upset about the constant trashing of their idols and critics can hardly take ther fanbase seriously.

As for the die hard/casual fan debate. We're not in elementary school here, you very well know what I mean but for whatever reason you see fit you seem to feel the need to post with an agenda. If that's true I'm sorry but I'm not really up for that anymore. If not, I must've misunderstood and I apologize in advance.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

[jimmyjovi89]

Originally Posted by Xavi

It happens with every fan base of big artist.
If you see Bruce Springsteen,U2,Stones etc fan base,they dont see beyond those artists.
I think Bruce Springsteen fans are the most closed fans out of all those people.

I totally disagree with you about the Springsteen fans remark, I am a member of several Springsteen forums and find that fans are a lot more respectful of other artists than Bon Jovi fans. I also find that there are lots of discussions with positive remarks around new musicians that Bruce himself has played on his radio show.

[Thinny]

Originally Posted by jimmyjovi89

I totally disagree with you about the Springsteen fans remark, I am a member of several Springsteen forums and find that fans are a lot more respectful of other artists than Bon Jovi fans. I also find that there are lots of discussions with positive remarks around new musicians that Bruce himself has played on his radio show.

Have to agree, thought it was a strange comment. The huge Springsteen fans that I know are a lot more open to other bands and styles of music than your average Jovi fan.

[Kathleen]

Originally Posted by Thinny

Have to agree, thought it was a strange comment. The huge Springsteen fans that I know are a lot more open to other bands and styles of music than your average Jovi fan.

As a huge Springsteen fan myself I have to agree. Bruce himself is exposing his fans to lots of new music (and some old music) through his "From My Home to Yours" radio show.

[jimmyjovi89]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

As a huge Springsteen fan myself I have to agree. Bruce himself is exposing his fans to lots of new music (and some old music) through his "From My Home to Yours" radio show.

Exactly it’s such a great radio show! I also love the amount of shows, demos and videos that get shared freely on the forums, wish we could have that on here!