[Thinny]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Oh No... Jon even stated in between songs that they were working on the new album.

Which came out 2 years later...so yeah, obviously Jon had begun working on a new album that was originally supposed to be a solo album. He changed his mind and made it a band album but the work on Crush didn't actually begin until later in 1999...

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Thinny

Which came out 2 years later...so yeah, obviously Jon had begun working on a new album that was originally supposed to be a solo album. He changed his mind and made it a band album but the work on Crush didn't actually begin until later in 1999...

Your timelines are a little shifted. Crush was released at the halfway point of 2000 but there were several delays that added to it.
Fairbairn's death, Dave's accident, and the lack of song quality.

There was enough material for 2 band albums and a Jon Solo album between Destination Anywhere and Crush.

Sex Sells the solo album was supposed to be released in 1998... Real Life was released in early 1999 so there wasn't a real 2 year break between that show and Crush if Richies is making videos that date back before March of 1999.

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[Thinny]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Your timelines are a little shifted. Crush was released at the halfway point of 2000 but there were several delays that added to it.
Fairbairn's death, Dave's accident, and the lack of song quality.

There was enough material for 2 band albums and a Jon Solo album between Destination Anywhere and Crush.

Sex Sells the solo album was supposed to be released in 1998... Real Life was released in early 1999 so there wasn't a real 2 year break between that show and Crush if Richies is making videos that date back before March of 1999.

As we all know, Sex Sells was originally supposed to be a JBJ solo album, but turned into a band album and then turned into Crush. Real Life was not recorded for Crush, it was never meant to be part of that album and Richie was not part of the song writing process. Again, one (or two) shows and one song isn't the same as writing and recording a new album and putting the band back on the road.

Yes, I'm sure that there were delays of a few months maybe (not a year), but work on Crush started in mid-1999. As you like to say - Look it up, it's very easy to find these dates. As we all know the songs that were intended for Jon's next solo album, which became a band album were worked into Crush, so that's what Jon means when he says that they are already working on the album...he means that he already has a bunch of songs ready to go, which he did.

Please let's not clog this thread with pretty much the same conversation as the other one, that went round and round and got nowhere...

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Thinny

As we all know, Sex Sells was originally supposed to be a JBJ solo album, but turned into a band album and then turned into Crush. Real Life was not recorded for Crush, it was never meant to be part of that album and Richie was not part of the song writing process. Again, one (or two) shows and one song isn't the same as writing and recording a new album and putting the band back on the road.

Yes, I'm sure that there were delays of a few months maybe (not a year), but work on Crush started in mid-1999. As you like to say - Look it up, it's very easy to find these dates. As we all know the songs that were intended for Jon's next solo album, which became a band album were worked into Crush, so that's what Jon means when he says that they are already working on the album...he means that he already has a bunch of songs ready to go, which he did.

Please let's not clog this thread with pretty much the same conversation as the other one, that went round and round and got nowhere...

What do you mean look it up? It's right in the video during he Prayer intro... Go listen to it.

"We're currently finishing the writing vote and we have one hell of a rock and roll record coming out next year".

And don't ever tell me what to do? You're the one clogging it.

I'm stating facts based on a video that was posted. You're the one who is stating your own garbage...

Everyone knows that Crush (Sex Sells Band Album) was supposed to be out in 1999. Like I stated. It got scrapped, rewritten, album title changes, etc... There were 2 albums between DA and Crush (Sex Sells Solo - Sex Sells Band and I believe there was also another working title but it's slipping me right now).

Due to all the delays stated in my last post, they scrapped the 1999 album and started over with a new producer in 1999.

I'm surprised Richie didn't quit then. He was probably on overload.






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[Thinny]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

What do you mean look it up? It's right in the video during he Prayer intro... Go listen to it.

Oh RD, you do make me laugh. I said look up the dates that they began working on CRUSH. Not Sex Sells. That never happened...aside from Jon's pre-production work on what was originally going to be his solo album.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

And don't ever tell me what to do? You're the one clogging it.

Come on, I said please...

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

I'm stating facts based on a video that was posted. You're the one who is stating your own garbage...

I already explained what he meant in the video, but as usual you choose to ignore facts. He had the songs from his solo record. The band were voting on what songs to use from his pool of songs, that's it.

Anyways, I'm off on holiday. Laters....

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Thinny

Oh RD, you do make me laugh. I said look up the dates that they began working on CRUSH. Not Sex Sells. That never happened...aside from Jon's pre-production work on what was originally going to be his solo album.



Come on, I said please...



I already explained what he meant in the video, but as usual you choose to ignore facts. He had the songs from his solo record. The band were voting on what songs to use from his pool of songs, that's it.

Anyways, I'm off on holiday. Laters....

I don't understand why you struggle to understand. This is from October 1998 which is the early stages for the upcoming album... From that point, it's unclear what is being recycled from Jon's solo album and what songs Jon and Richie wrote together but regardless, they are in the early process of getting together for an album to come out in 1999. I don't understand why you are struggling with that???? Again, they even put out the Real Life video.

So again, you falsy stated that there was a 2-year break between this show and Crush which is obviously not true and every real fan knows that to be false.

Note: I think the title between Sex Sells and Crush was "One Wild Night"? Somone fact-check that for me.

[Thinny]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

So again, you falsy stated that there was a 2-year break between this show and Crush which is obviously not true and every real fan knows that to be false.

Learn to read - I never said that. I said that the album came out 2 years later, which is pretty much did, give or take a couple of months.

My only point was that they had not begun working on Crush as a band yet in 1998. And that fact still stands - aside from the tracks that Jon had prepared for his solo album, they hadn't. I don't understand why you are struggling with that????

[Captain_jovi]

Originally Posted by Rdkopper

What do you mean look it up? It's right in the video during he Prayer intro... Go listen to it.

"We're currently finishing the writing vote and we have one hell of a rock and roll record coming out next year".

And don't ever tell me what to do? You're the one clogging it.

I'm stating facts based on a video that was posted. You're the one who is stating your own garbage...

Everyone knows that Crush (Sex Sells Band Album) was supposed to be out in 1999. Like I stated. It got scrapped, rewritten, album title changes, etc... There were 2 albums between DA and Crush (Sex Sells Solo - Sex Sells Band and I believe there was also another working title but it's slipping me right now).

Due to all the delays stated in my last post, they scrapped the 1999 album and started over with a new producer in 1999.

I'm surprised Richie didn't quit then. He was probably on overload.






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Facts = sources please. You're saying that an album was scrapped in 1999 and started over with a new producer. Based on what? They never got to the point of recording songs with Bruce and, like Thinny said, Real Life wasn't part of it. If we're going to be quoting Jon, he's said Real Life was maybe a day or two in the studio. If it was part of the overall sessions for the album it wouldn't have set aside as a day or two in the studio.

If you can find any proof they scrapped an album they were working on with Bruce, would love to see it (genuinely) because that's something that "everyone knows".

[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Facts = . You're saying that an album was scrapped in 1999 and started over with a new producer. Based on what? They never got to the point of recording songs with Bruce and, like Thinny said, Real Life wasn't part of it. If we're going to be quoting Jon, he's said Real Life was maybe a day or two in the studio. If it was part of the overall sessions for the album it wouldn't have set aside as a day or two in the studio.

If you can find any proof they scrapped an album they were working on with Bruce, would love to see it (genuinely) because that's something that "everyone knows".

Oh **** off dude

I never said that Fairbairn finished an album and then they remade Crush. The one they were going to work on with Fairbairn is obviously not the same one that Luke Ebbin made.

When you watch the Real Life video you see that Sex Sells is promoted as the new BJ-album.

Album - Sex Sells = Scrapped

Song - Real Life = Scrapped - Never made it to Crush

Producer of the Song Real Life - Bruce Fairbairn - Passed away.

Album was to come out in 1999, never happened.

Luke Ebbin was hired to update the bands sound

It's My Life and other were written specifically for Crush.

Older from the listening party is a different version on Crush - rewrite

Where do you think all those songs on the Box came from?

When a new producer comes in to update your sound, and we know of certain songs that didn't make Crush and we also know that certain songs were specifically meant for Crush, it's kinda obvious that the album Jon speaks about in 1998 and the one that came out in May of 2000 are not the same.

[Rdkopper]

Here is a quote from our own source. It's amazing how Capain Jovi and Thinny post on here around the clock and know absolute shit about this band's history.

https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/bon-j...post21575.html

Jon was asked during the Crush press conference about the title Sex Sells, which was what Crush was going to be called. Jon said they had a song of the same name, and it was a big stadium rocker that was going to be on the album and be the title track. Sex Sells was supposed to be produced by Bob Rock and Bruce Fairbairn. However, Bruce died and Bon Jovi had some record label issues. During the delay while looking for a new producer and a record label; Jon and Richie wrote and demoed an additional 30 songs to the 30 they already had. After the new 30 songs were born some of the original ones that were going to be on the disc to be released in 99 were dropped. Sex Sells the song and the cd title were both dropped, and Crush came out in 2000. Jon said we would hear Sex Sells as a b side or on the box set. Considering it was not a Crush b side it should end up on the box set. The Sex Sells that was supposed to come out in 99, would have basically been the solo cd that Jon was going to release in the fall of '98. Jon signed on for U-571 and put his solo cd on hold. By the time he was done of U-571 it was decided it was time for a band effort. Just Older, Stay, Life's Too Short For Days Like These, and Hush are just a few of the songs that were intended for Jon's 3rd solo disc.