[TBoy]

Originally Posted by jungleland

It clearly shows that they cover his bad vocals in the real live show technically.

LMAO, what a retard.

[MarcDLV]

Originally Posted by TBoy

LMAO, what a retard.

retard indeed! it is a soundcheck maybe is in ears monitoring was not set yet
so many ppl doesn t know how things work on stage.

[Jeff Pitts]

Originally Posted by jungleland

In 2005 during Sweden Rock someone saw Journey in front of the stage and got the chance to look behind the stage. When he got there the singing of Steven Augeri (former singer then) was completely different and partly out of tune so it was discovered that there are technical "goodies" to not only cover a bad voice in the studio but also in a live environment. This was all over the net and Augeri was fired in the end.
That should be common practice now. When it works in the studio (autotuning for example) then there is equipment there to cover the voice up as well. Why should only guitarists have effects? Singers can have them as well it is no secret. Welcome to 2010 and another lesson learned my son!
What you heard during the DC soundcheck was the "raw" JBJ without effects at all. And you heard what he was sounding like didn't you?

Jon has his bad moments in Jersey, but his voice is on this tour.

What's retarded about your comments are the fact that you're not thinking before you type. For starters, anything they can do to cover a voice, they would be doing at soundcheck as well.

Second, here's how you've contradicted yourself. IF Jon was using things like Auto-tune to fix his voice live, then he'd never go flat. But you have said time and time again he's out of key. Well, he can't be out of key with autotune, unless they're tuning him wrong. Do you know how Auto-tune works sir? I run a studio, so I clearly do. I've helped plenty of people with it. And there's a fact to be said here... plenty of bands use it live. Bon Jovi is not one of them. There are vocal warmups Jon does and he obviously doesn't go full-fledged for soundchecks by the many I've seen.

You've seriously become nothing but a troll.

Ohh, and one more thing... yes, I don't agree with them changing the lyrics to Dry County, but it's a song JBJ wrote and if he wants to change it, he has that right. However, it's obvious by the fact that they didn't change the lyrics during the show that they agree with you. They were trying something out and apparently, they didn't like it. Why criticize them just to do it there? They must have agreed with you.

[TBoy]

Ladies and gentlemen and jungleland, I heared Job Bon Jovi singing Always while he was taking a shower. Oh god, that was amazing, better then I ever heared him sing! So, there you go!

[marta anna]

As to Jungleland -his behaviour is that of a typical troll. The trolls write challenging and controversial comments just to stirr uproar, start angry argument, make chaos. They write and wait for people's angry reaction; it is their objective! And when feedback comes they are very happy with their success. They like being the ones who pull the strings and play on people's emotions.

Therefore I think that any rational responses of the thinking and well-argumenting users of this forum simply feed Jungleland's primitive instincts and make this thoughtless satisfied with achieving his silly ends. Let's just boycott him!

I have a feeling that trolling is his basic and the only life activity. I cannot understand how he finds time to spend all day in the forums, analyzing all positive posts and writing his exhaustive stupidly malicious, controversial and malcontent answers. IS the man flat enough to have no interests or aims in life? No job, no favourite books, no friends, no love of sports/films/music (because trolling is not about music) etc etc...?

[Kathleen]

VERY well written Marta. A perfect description of a troll anywhere, on any forum. This one has been on my ignore list for a long time - except for a short period when he was acting like a reasonable human being.

Originally Posted by marta anna

As to Jungleland -his behaviour is that of a typical troll. The trolls write challenging and controversial comments just to stirr uproar, start angry argument, make chaos. They write and wait for people's angry reaction; it is their objective! And when feedback comes they are very happy with their success. They like being the ones who pull the strings and play on people's emotions.

Therefore I think that any rational responses of the thinking and well-argumenting users of this forum simply feed Jungleland's primitive instincts and make this thoughtless satisfied with achieving his silly ends. Let's just boycott him!

I have a feeling that trolling is his basic and the only life activity. I cannot understand how he finds time to spend all day in the forums, analyzing all positive posts and writing his exhaustive stupidly malicious, controversial and malcontent answers. IS the man flat enough to have no interests or aims in life? No job, no favourite books, no friends, no love of sports/films/music (because trolling is not about music) etc etc...?

[Walleris]

Originally Posted by jungleland

Cmon fangirl don't be silly - you know that I have lots of valid arguments that you just cannot deny. As you are obviously one of those "late" fans and haven't seen them in their prime until 1995 I understand that you are kinda angry when you hear a negative comment on your idols but if you analyze it take of your pink Jovi glasses and think about it you have to come to one conclusion: I am quite right!
All you say about those with negative comments is that they are "trolling" - that's your only excuse for your constant denying the fact that the current tour is more or less a major letdown. Sure you spent losts of money on your tickets and I understand that mainly causes the blindness of the negative sides but if you be true to yourselves face it: This tour is not much better than the last one which was clearly their worst to this very day. Amen!

If you weren't the troll that we claim you are, you wouldn't waste most of your daily time in forum full nerds and fans of a band, that you don't like anymore. I say stay off this forum for a month or so. Then, you'll prove you're not a troll. But I strongly doubt that and off course you'll continue waisting your time in the forum this band who is 'way over past their prime'. I really don't expect a sincere answer from you to this post (cause what I'm probably gonna get is another 'they have no energy, past their prime, fans with pink glasses and you can't admit that' thing) but I just want you to understand this - either you're a troll, which means get the **** out of this forum and get a life, or you're all dead serious about this which makes you a miserable person whose lound and annoying opinion is something nobody here gives a shit about. Either way, I believe that if you dislike this band for what it is today, you really don't need this forum and this forum sure as hell doesn't need you.

My english is far from perfect but I hope I made myself clear.

[rainsong]

Originally Posted by jungleland

Where do you know ? it's just obvious that during the good moments he clearly uses it - not just during all songs that is no contradiction then!
So BJ who have all the money to use the best technology do not use vocal effects at all? Makes no sense to me !




Well thank god he did only perform it in front of those who have to much money to buy VIP tickets so that they can hear such an annoying version. If they had played it in front of the whole stadium they would have been booed off stage. Those who have nothing better to to do than to spend their money paying 1000's of dollars for spoiled Rockstars instead of using it for better reasons haven't deserved better then. Even if I had the money I would never go and see a band 10 or more times on one tour like some lunatics obviously do. What's the point ? The largest number of gigs I saw on 1 tour was 4 times Kiss. And that was enough (yeah now you say Kiss is shit blablabla). I know a guy who saw ALL (!!!) Queen and Paul Rodgers dates in Europe which were about 30. Insane IMHO.

You know I don't get people like you. What's wrong with following a band or seeing them 10 or 20 times a tour if that is what a person chooses to do?? You call them lunatics but you wouldn't say that to someone who holds season tickets to a futbol team and watches that team 20 times or has season tickets to the Yankees in America and that is 82 games. What's the difference??

[rainsong]

Originally Posted by jungleland

Cmon fangirl don't be silly - you know that I have lots of valid arguments that you just cannot deny. As you are obviously one of those "late" fans and haven't seen them in their prime until 1995 I understand that you are kinda angry when you hear a negative comment on your idols but if you analyze it take of your pink Jovi glasses and think about it you have to come to one conclusion: I am quite right!
All you say about those with negative comments is that they are "trolling" - that's your only excuse for your constant denying the fact that the current tour is more or less a major letdown. Sure you spent losts of money on your tickets and I understand that mainly causes the blindness of the negative sides but if you be true to yourselves face it: This tour is not much better than the last one which was clearly their worst to this very day. Amen!

It seems you have a love affair with the 80's version of BJ, which is fine, but unlike BJ and the rest of us, it seems you have never grown past that. You like the raw power hair metal, we got it, good for you. It's just that that isn't all that BJ is anymore. It's apparent you don't like the direction they chose, that you consider it "less" than their 80's work. OK so why not take your 80's material, enjoy it, and let the rest of us do our thing?? I was there in the 80's, and the 90's and the 2000's. I don't see "less", I don't see second rate. I see older, more mature, less angst ridden, less edgy, more polished, better musicians, still in "love" with what they get to do. Is it the best music ever made?? Nope not then , not now. But it is the music that "talks " to me. As of the release of the Circle there are always one or two songs on every record that fit my life at the time, this time out is no exception so as long as that happens I'm in, this is the band I most want to see and hear.

[severo17]

Why don't you try to go see Bon Jovi Jungleland?
You never know if you change your mind watching it live