[Rdkopper]

Originally Posted by TwinFan

I agree. Even more so on this tour over the last. For example, The NMS Movie was great and all, but Jon was way to out in front and Richie's tone is thin and is way too quiet (even though Obie had nothing to do with it). You can also barely hear the crowd. It seems the switch over to the more HD lifestyle has sacrificed some of the good qualities. Some of the SE songs are well mixed though (KTF in particular). The Obie stuff on BJ.com is awful, though.

I like the MSG DVD, to be honest. Not a great performance on some songs, but I like the production.

Why can't they just realize that Obie is a horrible mixer?

Probably the wrong thread for this but where is Obie? He's not chatting anymore. Not involved at all with the NMS videos. just curious

[TwinFan]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

I agree - except as you pointed out - others mixed the recent TV show and it was pretty bad. It faded in and out and was all over the place.

Could it be with the live mixing itself? Like what happens AS the guys are playing? Maybe Richie's got some different equipment from previous tours, or they have some different cameras, mics, recording equipment, etc. Richie's tone on some of the proshot stuff has been pretty thin and lacking some bass (I guess that's how I would put it), and it seems like it started around May. And as Walleris pointed out they sound WAY better in person or on audience vids.

Nevertheless, I still dig having proshot stuff from any show.

Livin' on a prayer / Bon Jovi - YouTube

Prayer (acoustic) from the Evening w/ BJ show in 1992. Just amazing. KTF era Bon Jovi was just stellar.

[Thierry]

Superman Tonight, New Meadowlands stadium 2010 - from the Epix HD broadcast with remastered audio:

YouTube

[Jovimimi]

Originally Posted by Thierry

Superman Tonight, New Meadowlands stadium 2010 - from the Epix HD broadcast with remastered audio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZyyC91qqiI

that's great work Thierry too bad I cannot stand that song ... supermeeeeee tonight


I saw a message wondering why is obie still around .. I think it's because Obie has a guarantied job for life. I think there are a few names in the bon jovi organisation about who I don't get why they are still used as they are not very good or very professional ...but it's like once you enter the 'family' you are in for good, even if your are not doing a proper work (I mean a good work regarding the importance of the ppl you are working for ) ......JMO but it's not just Obie ...I am still wondering what is the Alec status today and what did Alec do in real (not what is said mediatically) to get fired coz it's not excellence that is the key word to work for jovi

[Thierry]

Something For The Pain from the same broadcast:

YouTube

[JonGirl]

Originally Posted by Jovimimi

that's great work Thierry too bad I cannot stand that song ... supermeeeeee tonight


I saw a message wondering why is obie still around .. I think it's because Obie has a guarantied job for life. I think there are a few names in the bon jovi organisation about who I don't get why they are still used as they are not very good or very professional ...but it's like once you enter the 'family' you are in for good, even if your are not doing a proper work (I mean a good work regarding the importance of the ppl you are working for ) ......JMO but it's not just Obie ...I am still wondering what is the Alec status today and what did Alec do in real (not what is said mediatically) to get fired coz it's not excellence that is the key word to work for jovi

I was just thinking about the Alec thing the other day since jon recently said Alec "quit the business", which was the first time it had been put this way. Over the years we've heard it was because he kept messing up live, he was on drugs, he didn't want to continue working as hard as the rest of the band members did. I think it's probably a combination of all these things. It's obvious he wasn't a great musician but Jon kept him around as long as he could until he'd finally had enough. If he didn't want to improve his playing, clean himself up or continue to work hard in the band, how can they keep him? Maybe in Jon's way of thinking he did "quit the business" simply because he chose not to work at keeping a place in the band.

Why Obie is still around is another story. Maybe because unlike Alec, keeping Obie doesn't jeopardize the band as a live act? (Although he's ruined many live project releases) He's been there since day one and seems to have "tenure" along with a few others. (like Paul and Mike but at least those two seem to do their jobs well enough)

[Jovimimi]

Originally Posted by JonGirl

I was just thinking about the Alec thing the other day since jon recently said Alec "quit the business", which was the first time it had been put this way. Over the years we've heard it was because he kept messing up live, he was on drugs, he didn't want to continue working as hard as the rest of the band members did. I think it's probably a combination of all these things. It's obvious he wasn't a great musician but Jon kept him around as long as he could until he'd finally had enough. If he didn't want to improve his playing, clean himself up or continue to work hard in the band, how can they keep him? Maybe in Jon's way of thinking he did "quit the business" simply because he chose not to work at keeping a place in the band.

Why Obie is still around is another story. Maybe because unlike Alec, keeping Obie doesn't jeopardize the band as a live act? (Although he's ruined many live project releases) He's been there since day one and seems to have "tenure" along with a few others. (like Paul and Mike but at least those two seem to do their jobs well enough)

S I know all this but what we are informed about and reality is probably different ... you are right though that the bon jovi entourage doesn't 'seem' to jeopardize the band as much as alec could have BUT I think there is something else ... some ppl in the bon jovi entourage do a crappy work but still are around ... and some are fired for nothing ...

what is mike rew 's job ?

[Captmorgs]

Originally Posted by Thierry

Superman Tonight, New Meadowlands stadium 2010 - from the Epix HD broadcast with remastered audio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZyyC91qqiI

Awesome. When they started to drop some of The Circle songs from the set lists (or at least include them inconsistently), I wish they would have kept Superman and occasionally skipped WWWB.

[tigrs99]

Originally Posted by Jovimimi

S I know all this but what we are informed about and reality is probably different ... you are right though that the bon jovi entourage doesn't 'seem' to jeopardize the band as much as alec could have BUT I think there is something else ... some ppl in the bon jovi entourage do a crappy work but still are around ... and some are fired for nothing ...

what is mike rew 's job ?

Greatest Hits Credit list Mike Rew as part of Bon Jovi Management
I think on Circle tour in US he was backline crew manager

[bonjovi90]

Probably the first time they did LOAP acoustic wise on tour. Very passionate performance and Jon tells the story behind the song:

Bon Jovi - Livin' On A Prayer (acoustic / Largo...