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Old 11-22-2004, 07:41 AM
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YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF GOOF'S, HOW CAN YOU EVEN CALL YOURSELFS BON JOVI FANS? ITS FANS LIKE YOU THAT BRING A BAND DOWN.

Yes, I am so sorry for being retarded. I must not have an opinion. I must love EVERYTHING they do, or what kind of fan am I? Geez. Get a life. And quit typing in caps, it's annoying.

yeah...we're entitled to our own opinion! we're not bringing them down, we're just giving comment, it doesnt mean we're against! whatever happen to BONJOVI, no matter how crap they're doing, we're still a fan of them! We're just giving our opinion NOT IN AN ANTAGONIZING TONE! We maybe bunches of GOOFS but we're not STUPID!
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Old 11-22-2004, 07:57 AM
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They completely f*cked up Radio... Jon sang it like he had never heard of singing a chorus higher than a verse and the song was played so slow. Geez, what were they thinking?
This is my point of this thread. The song is not as enjoyable when it is altered this way. The chorus of a song is supposed to be climactic, and when you lower it like that, it ruins the whole flow of it. A chorus has gotta have more guts than the verse. There's no reason why Richie can't sing that lead and Jon harmonize the lower part. It would have sounded 100% better IMO. I respect the fact that mnay of you enjoyed it and had no problems with his voice, but it's just not the same for me. To listen to a kick ass song like "Radio" and get a rather blah performance isn't hot.
They wanted to do another This Left Feels Right moment and it just didn't work for this song. I think they overthought this particular performance.
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Old 11-22-2004, 08:19 AM
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You know, the fact that Jon can't hit the notes anymore is ruining the melody of songs, therefore making it very difficult for me to watch their live shows now. The songs don't have the same impact when he tunes them down or sings an octave lower. I am getting fed up. Just let Richie sing the damn parts if you can't anymore.
I would have to agree.

A lot of songs have been slowed down, especially the new ones, but also Everyday on this performance and Jon sang a lot of songs an octave lower. I also saw Richie having troubles with that, because he has to sing lower than as well. You could hear that quite good on Miss Fourth Of July.

Jon has to quit smoking and get in shape. His voice has taken a lot over the years, but therefor be carefull with it. It's okay to slower down some songs, like they did after 1993 with songs like Bad Medicine, Runaway etc., but it's not okay to sing like this and this show was mixed very good (except for the Richi's solo in SWID).
I don't think his voice has matured; it has gotten worse. Richie's voice matured: he can put a lot more feeling into it, also because of the fact that he can hit a wide range of notes.

They completely f*cked up Radio... Jon sang it like he had never heard of singing a chorus higher than a verse and the song was played so slow. Geez, what were they thinking?

I also didn't understand why they played SWID? Why did they pick that one? This was not a hit and frankly, I don't like the song very much when it's not played in the shape of a medley with other songs. Why not a real hit then or the demo version of SIBASN? And why not play Edge Of A Broken Heart? Jon's always talking about that fact that it should have made the record; that it was his fault; that it could have been a great hit and that with this boxset we've finally gotten the song. Or the new song Have A Nice Day?

Also 19 songs, including Shout, for that much money? Or did they cut out some songs in the webcast?

I'm sorry, but I cannot help feeling disapointed. I expected more boxset songs and better vocals from Jon. I also hoped that all band members would sing there solo songs of the boxset. Richie's for example is so great!
This is amazing. You need to take a chill pill or something. Jon is an amazing shape, considering everything that has happened to him. Jon has given so much of himself to his fans and saying things like these is simply cruel. You with your attitude are the one with problems, not Jon. Really.

And that was a wonderful show. I don't know how anyone can be unhappy with it.
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Old 11-22-2004, 11:04 AM
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I thought Jon sang really well....ok except for the ending of Prayer but throughout the rest of the show he was really great.

As for Radio, yeah I was a little disappointed too, but the song didn't sound too bad...
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I watched the concert on INHD with full surround sound. I thought JON sounded better than he has for awhile, with the exception of LOAP. His voice audibly cracked at the end.
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Honestly, I was just thinking how good Jon sounds tonight.
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This is amazing. You need to take a chill pill or something. Jon is an amazing shape, considering everything that has happened to him. Jon has given so much of himself to his fans and saying things like these is simply cruel. You with your attitude are the one with problems, not Jon. Really.

And that was a wonderful show. I don't know how anyone can be unhappy with it.
I thought I was considering everything that has happenned to him. I clearly stated that. But listen to the bootlegs of the year 1993: eventhough a lot had happenned to his voice in the past, he sounded amazing! I don't think there was one singer that hit the notes higher than Jon and could put more feeling into songs than Jon did. He was simply the best (as Tina Turner would say ).
I'm just saying he should consider that himself and try to stop smoking and maybe even go back to the basics; maybe even talk to Richie; stop those movies and concentrate and focus on singing. H*ll, I don't know, but there much be a sollution, so that he can perform songs like Always and Dry County again. 2003 is just one year ago and he sounded better in my opinion there than he did now and 2000 and 2001 he sounded even better (but I think his allergies weren't bottering him that much that year as they did in 2003).

But why am I then cruel? Why do have an attitude? Just because we don't agree? Just because I have another opinion than you have? Why am I not entitled to my opinion? I would say this to anyone, any other band when I felt like this, so it's not because of Jon. But when I think back of Gelsen: he was so sich, but he fought like a lion and played for 2,5 hours and I never enjoyed a Bon Jovi show more than that one. Sure, his vocals cracked a bit and Jon was mad at himself for not giving what he could have given under normal circumstances, but because of the spirit he put into it, it was a show of which I can say, really touched my heart. I admired Jon for this and I admired the band for lifting their performance to a higher level!

But yesterday... Well, I had just expected more.. I missed the flames; I missed the intention of the songs and I don't understand why you cannot admit that they indeed slowered down some songs and sang them an octave lower, unless you think that they come better to their rights performed like that. And you would pay $250,-- for 18 or 19 songs without hesitation knowing that they normally play about 23 tot 25 songs and play longer than 2 hours? Ofcourse this was special because it was smaller and they played boxset songs, but that was the TLFR performance also.
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And you would pay $250,-- for 18 or 19 songs without hesitation knowing that they normally play about 23 tot 25 songs and play longer than 2 hours? Ofcourse this was special because it was smaller and they played boxset songs, but that was the TLFR performance also.
No, I wouldn't. When I was watching the webcast, I was thinking "I wish I was there," but when it ended after an hour and an half, I was very glad I stayed home. I understand that the live broadcast time put a restriction on the show. At the same time, I'd be disappointed with anything less than two hours from Bon Jovi--especially given what the tickets cost and what it would have cost to get there. Even with all the new songs, they still had to throw in tired songs like Bad Name, and the predictable Sleep/Bad Medicine/Shout. Wouldn't it have been better for Richie to sing his song from the box set than IBTFY? My personal preference for Jon singing that aside, this was a performance to highlight the box set. I loved the new songs, but when they delved into the old catalogue, for the most part, it was disappointing. They play the same songs the same way. They don't seem very adventurous with the tried and true.

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Whats wrong with Jons voice??? to me its better than Bryan Addams voice .Ok hes getting older we all do but does that mean we have to stop doing what we do just because we are older? no of course not its a load of crap. I think hes voice has maturity to it which imo has a great qualty to it and personnaly i dont think the group wouldnt make it if tico or richie sang instead , its jons voice that makes the group work imo.
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I think hes voice has maturity to it which imo has a great qualty to it and personnaly i dont think the group would make it if tico or richie sang instead , its jons voice that makes the group work imo.
I agree. I'd rather listen to Jon sing in lower ranges because it sounds more like a real singer than a youthful screamer. And I would never have bought CDs by a band fronted with Richie's voice. It's fine for a one-off, but it becomes grating very fast TO ME. The first time I heard him singing, I did not know it was him and my reaction was, "What is this shit?" I remember it so clearly because when I realized it was Richie, I felt this overwhelming guilt because he was Richie and I wanted to like his singing. I wouldn't buy CDs of a band fonted by Tico or
Dave either. I like their voices, but I couldn't listen to either one of them sing for an hour.

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