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Old 06-03-2004, 11:34 AM
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Because you live in a bubble with a Jon that can't do wrong.
Now you're really **** me off. What have several of us just tried to drill into you? I quote...

"JON IS HUMAN GUYS.........LET IT GO ALREADY. He makes mistakes"

I said something similar. Precisely how does admitting Jon and makes mistakes, has looked bored many times, has probably pissed off some fans and interviewers by being blunt or half-hearted mean we live in a bubble where Jon can do no wrong? Honestly...
Saying Jon makes mistakes but then never agreeing when someone points out a mistake he makes makes the fact that you're admitting his mistakes completely stupid, as you do not know what his mistakes are, and therefore thinks he's perfect. You're just saying he makes mistakes because a human being makes mistakes, but not for the mistakes themselves. Everytime someone makes a topic here about Jon and the things he does wrong several people like Jovi2003 etcetera jump on them saying it isn't fair to point them out because he's human, which leads to the conclusion that they're just blind followers who like everything he does because he is Jon.

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She did put it way omre eloquently because you would never take the effort to type such a long post. And I don't see how making mistakes and smoking (which is a mistake itself, especially when you're a singer) can make a band help to exist for 20 years.
What she meant was that if Jon was who you are trying to make him out to be, would Richie and the others have stuck with him? Of course not. Nobody's that dumb. Like Jon, they had enough cash to retire young years ago. Get your head out of the sand and face facts.
That was not what she said. She said that his mistakes helped the band surviving over the last 20 years. Then why is it such a coincidence that since Jon has become much more arrogant, more bored, looks less into the songs the music itself also has become much more worse ?

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Evidentally you don't like the guy for some reason Seb. That's fine. I have no problem with that. But you make a post pissing on him in a forum full of people who do like him, then you at least better make it a good, solid case or you're gonna get slammed. It's human nature. Would you say nothing if someone started ragging on your friend? I would hope not. Same logic applies here. Your "evidence" falls down like a house of cards under even a brief examination; you asked for it, and you got it in spades.
Yep you're right, I don't like the guy that much anymore. I've seen him live several times now and he wasn't on it as much as he used to be, he's just going on stage, doing his thing and goes off. And that's not a good thing when it comes to music. And this board is not full of people who do like him as much as you wish them to like him, there's a reason why backstage hates us jovitalkers that much ; because we don't love Jon that much as they do. Because we are able to see the stupid steps he's taken the last 5 years.

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I thought you Americans were such strong believers, then why are you all swearing so much ?
Generally when someone says it like that, the inferred meaning is "Jesus give me the strength and wisdom to calm down and not break something or someone".
Yeh, sure. Then fvck you must mean something like "Oh you make me horny and I really want to screw you.

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Old 06-03-2004, 12:16 PM
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bleh bleh bleh

Sebastion..? be quiet. ur a sad little man
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bleh bleh bleh

Sebastion..? be quiet. ur a sad little man
He just does it for the attention, it gets rather boring.

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Old 06-03-2004, 02:47 PM
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Saying Jon makes mistakes but then never agreeing when someone points out a mistake he makes makes the fact that you're admitting his mistakes completely stupid, as you do not know what his mistakes are, and therefore thinks he's perfect. You're just saying he makes mistakes because a human being makes mistakes, but not for the mistakes themselves. Everytime someone makes a topic here about Jon and the things he does wrong several people like Jovi2003 etcetera jump on them saying it isn't fair to point them out because he's human, which leads to the conclusion that they're just blind followers who like everything he does because he is Jon.
I have no idea what kind of logic dictates your thinking, but I know several scientists who may be interested in examining you to find out.
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Old 06-03-2004, 07:01 PM
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Seb,

You are unbelievable. I cant believe that a) you pick apart Jons actions like that and b) put up such flimsy arguments to justify yourself. Now before I get called a blind follower, I am not. Jon has faults, as a person and as a professional but doesnt everyone. OK some of the performances may not be as good as they could be but Jons being doing this for 20 years. Everyone has bad days at work and after 20 years I'm sure that at times being a rock star is tedious. Can you imagine being away from your family for months at a time(although I'm sure they would appreciate it) and having to put everything into entertaining thousands of people every night after travelling for god knows how many hours during the day. Doesnt sound too appestising to me yet Jon is still widely acknowledged as one of the best and hardworking front men in the business.

As for the cigerette and image???? I like Bon Jovi for the music not for image. If I listented to musicians for their image Id be a huge Britney fan. I thought you were intelligent enough to see through that crap.

As for disrespecting Richie. WTF????? Jon is always quick to praise Richie, more so than other frontman. Ive never heard Bono laud the Edge, or Liam praise Noel etc the way Jon does Richie. If he was playing guitar or singing backing vocals during Richie's performance, no doubt you and other pathetic little nit pickers(Hi Thierry) would accuse Jon of trying to upstage Richie.

Why you continue to abuse Jon and deride anyone who disagrees with you on this board is beyond me. Kinda sad to be honest, why dont you put together an anti Jon webpage and spend your evenings there? Justice is 100% right about you.

If you make some valid points about Jons faults, then I'll readily agree. While you just have a pop for the sake of it, expect more of the same from those who disagree with you.
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Everytime someone makes a topic here about Jon and the things he does wrong several people like Jovi2003 etcetera jump on them saying it isn't fair to point them out because he's human
No, it's because YOU are doing nothing BUT IT!

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which leads to the conclusion that they're just blind followers who like everything he does because he is Jon.
And I conclude you are an all-time denier (if that is a word) who hates everything Jon does because it's Jon.

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Then why is it such a coincidence that since Jon has become much more arrogant, more bored, looks less into the songs the music itself also has become much more worse ?
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I have no idea what kind of logic dictates your thinking
I know what you mean and it isn't worth arguin' with him cause his comebacks are even more obsurd that his original statement/argument.

Please don't waste your time, he's not worth it.
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JON IS HUMAN GUYS.........LET IT GO ALREADY. He makes mistakes, he pisses, he sh*ts everyday, he smokes ,drinks and has an attitude. AND HE ADORES RICHIE. If he didn't they sure as hell wouldn;'t have lasted 20 freaking years.
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And this board is not full of people who do like him as much as you wish them to like him, there's a reason why backstage hates us jovitalkers that much ;
First off , don't give yourself that much importance. Contrary to your belief no one at BSWJBJ even talks about jovitalk, or the people who post here. Yet you and some others here, do nothing but bash Backstage members. You don't know us all. Don't lump us all into one category, please.

Second, Do you know Jon personally? Has he TOLD you he is bored, tired, uninterested? You make your assumptions on what he is "thinking" based on what? The fact he dared to light a cigarette while Richie took the spotlight?
You claim he has not given his all during the Bounce tour, others claim otherwise. You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to try to force your way of thinking on the rest of us.
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No. Do I need to show more pics from the entire video ? I've seen the entire video and Jon looks bored. What you all probably don't know is that the band themselves did admit they were completely tired after the TD tour and had troubles with finishing it because of them not being driven enough anymore. This is what Jon and Richie have said during several interviews on the Crush promotion tour.
Yeah, y'know, being tired at the end of a world tour is a tad different from not caring about anyone.

I'm also gonna go out on a limb and have a guess that you've used the "They don't even do world tours any more" complaint. Yet, you complain when they're tired at the end of a world tour, and maybe can't keep up the act anymore. I tell you, when I get tired, if anyone comes near me, I just won't wanna know. Imagine being absolutely exhausted, and having to perform night after night in front of thousands of people.

Admit it Sebastiaan, it's not even really about the music anymore is it? It's about the bashing, and trying to get cheap laughs at other people's expense

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