Overanalysing Bon Jovi?

tmas500 · #51 09-07-2009, 07:26 AM

I think that Bon Jovi ever since 2000 they hasnt really cared about there old fans since the hit IML. It gave them the younger fans and the mainstream fans who dont care about a band but love top songs only. The band tried to recreate the IML track with Everyday, Bounce in 2002 and HAND in 2005 then they hit success with WSYCGH and then Jon got the idea of a country album or Nashville inspired album (what ever that ment). It flopped with fans so now they come back in 2009 with the Circle and the lead single WWBTF is a little differnt with it has better lyrics then the normal of the bands material from crush on. In conculsion Jon is the reason for the bands failure of not having Faith or TD style songs. He is trying to force the band onto the charts no matter what at the cost of top notch material but with radio frinedly songs that are no better then the crap in the pop market now. Hopefully the band can make Working man a great song ala hey god. You may not agree but thats how i see bon jovi.

Hickstar · #52 09-07-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tmas500

I think that Bon Jovi ever since 2000 they hasnt really cared about there old fans since the hit IML. It gave them the younger fans and the mainstream fans who dont care about a band but love top songs only. The band tried to recreate the IML track with Everyday, Bounce in 2002 and HAND in 2005 then they hit success with WSYCGH and then Jon got the idea of a country album or Nashville inspired album (what ever that ment). It flopped with fans so now they come back in 2009 with the Circle and the lead single WWBTF is a little differnt with it has better lyrics then the normal of the bands material from crush on. In conculsion Jon is the reason for the bands failure of not having Faith or TD style songs. He is trying to force the band onto the charts no matter what at the cost of top notch material but with radio frinedly songs that are no better then the crap in the pop market now. Hopefully the band can make Working man a great song ala hey god. You may not agree but thats how i see bon jovi.

I can slightly see your point. But failure?! I doubt you would here any of the band calling LH a failure. I don't like the album but I can see that the band had some major success with it - not to mention the massive tour they did on it. If it wasn't for Jon's drive and desire then we wouldn't have had new band material for a long long time...

I don't dislike the band for trying to fit into a increasingly hard market. I think a lot of bands nowadays struggle with their image and have problems fitting into the music world because of the current 'pop' climate going on. Bands have to be diverse and have methods of fitting into that climate. Kudos to Bon Jovi for hanging on in there and long may it continue!

Captain Walrus · #53 09-07-2009, 03:23 PM

I appear to be being really argumentative recently, but oh well

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Originally Posted by tmas500

I think that Bon Jovi ever since 2000 they hasnt really cared about there old fans since the hit IML. It gave them the younger fans and the mainstream fans who dont care about a band but love top songs only. The band tried to recreate the IML track with Everyday, Bounce in 2002 and HAND in 2005 then they hit success with WSYCGH and then Jon got the idea of a country album or Nashville inspired album (what ever that ment). It flopped with fans so now they come back in 2009 with the Circle and the lead single WWBTF is a little differnt with it has better lyrics then the normal of the bands material from crush on. In conculsion Jon is the reason for the bands failure of not having Faith or TD style songs. He is trying to force the band onto the charts no matter what at the cost of top notch material but with radio frinedly songs that are no better then the crap in the pop market now. Hopefully the band can make Working man a great song ala hey god. You may not agree but thats how i see bon jovi.

To be fair, every song you mentioned there that courted the mainstream was co-written by Richie. Why blame it all on Jon?

BJaddict · #54 09-07-2009, 10:51 PM

Rock was over since 1996, it was never up to whether Bon Jovi did another These Days or not.
What people want nowadays is dance or trance music, thats whats considered ''cool'';

Revolution, not givin a F*uk, nd depressin soul music, ala Nevermind, Use Your Illusion or These Days is a long gone trend, some guys over here are stuck in the past, sadly.

What some people are complaining about though in this thread will lead to a Bon Jovi forum with threads like how did Jon Dye his hair today? what pants did Richie wear today? what did Jon eat today?..etc No one cares about the music;

What makes Bon jovi survive in 2009 anyway, is the looks of Jon nd the legacy of some 90's balads, rather than the music.

Captain Walrus · #55 09-08-2009, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BJaddict

Rock was over since 1996, it was never up to whether Bon Jovi did another These Days or not.
What people want nowadays is dance or trance music, thats whats considered ''cool'';

Revolution, not givin a F*uk, nd depressin soul music, ala Nevermind, Use Your Illusion or These Days is a long gone trend, some guys over here are stuck in the past, sadly.

What some people are complaining about though in this thread will lead to a Bon Jovi forum with threads like how did Jon Dye his hair today? what pants did Richie wear today? what did Jon eat today?..etc No one cares about the music;

What makes Bon jovi survive in 2009 anyway, is the looks of Jon nd the legacy of some 90's balads, rather than the music.

Well that was a load of rubbish

Goldsausage · #56 09-08-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Walrus

Well that was a load of rubbish

I agree. I think he must have some other kind of addiction on top of his BJ one.

EDIT: Oh man, now I can't look at his username the same way again

tmas500 · #57 09-08-2009, 04:11 AM

I dont think rock ended in 1996 but is now been distorted by the only way of getting air play or reconginezed is by having a pop flavor to that, The All American Rejects are a great expample of his with there rock inspired pop songs. Bon Jovi wont go to that extreme but ad pop elements to there music.

steel_horse75 · #58 09-08-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed

As most of you know, I'm a guy who does pretty much like most of the things the band has ever done. To some of you that makes me a "blind follower" but to me, shit, it's just means I like this music a lot.

The new single's really grown on me and while it has its flaws, I think it's the best single they've released this decade. But I always enjoy something new from Jovi when it comes out, the proof I guess is how often I listen to the full album afterwards (lost highway none at all, HAND a lot)

If this single had been released in 1999 before I'd been on the internet, I wouldn't have questioned the songs flaws. I may not have even gave a thought about why there was no guitar solo. And I'd have gone on my merry way just enjoying the song for what it was, probably not even comparing it to the other Jovi stuff, just as something new from the band I love.

So I guess my thoughts are - is analysing each track in every minute detail actually spoiling what the music is or should be? Are we guilty, in our own different ways, of destroying the thing for us that brought us here in the first place?

100% agree

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