Phil X on... Greatest Hits?

Aloha !

You don't need to have read every single post of yours to know that you're a total Jon fangirl. Just because you stopped posting about it on here several years ago doesn't mean most people don't remember the wonderful discussions you had with good old Krb back in the good old days. I certainly do.

And in the light of your best friend having been murdered: It's horrible something like that has to happen to someone. However, in the light of that there is absolutely no need to post about that stuff in topics that are not related to it whatever. It draws all attention to you in a negative way and no one has any ****ing idea of what to say to that.

So my advice; If you can't discuss things Bon Jovi related right now because you've got things on your mind that you feel are more important than anything that goes on at Jovitalk you'd better stop posting altogether. That's not me telling you to stop posting, but if you can't handle a simple discussion because your life has gone a bit off track you shouldn't be joining in at the first place. And I know it might sound harsh, but it's not meant that way. I've taken breaks from Jovitalk as well, everyone has, and we've all done it for reasons we deem important enough. Snapping to someone else who's not feeling the same way you do and has different priorities is no solution though and only further derails any discussion from the actual subject.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Seb,

with all respect, his acoustic stuff is the same stuff he's being doing for years.

Richie is GREAT. he has heart. but he's not in the same league as Phil X technically.

then again, could phil write i ll be there for you?

nope....but as a lead guitarist, he's technically better than richie.

but richie is richie.

Aloha !

And when you looked at Phil X doing the Bon Jovi songs he was pretty much doing the same every song as well. It's when a guitarist gets out of his comfort zone that it gets interesting. Phil X was out of his comfort zone on stage and repeated himself all the time, Richie is in his comfort zone and repeats himself all the time. I've yet to see a song of Phix X where he shows that he's capable of embracing any style apart from the bluesy rock stuff he shows off on youTube.

I agree that Richie's acoustic stuff has very much been the same for his entire career, however, I don't think you're thinking of the same acoustic stuff I am thinking off. I'm talking about the LA Master Class events where he played with 2 other very good guitarists. Suddenly he had to raise the bar and he achieved a level I've not seen from him in a long time, and I've certainly never seen from Phil X.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

The Phil X shows were 2nd rate, he pulled off the same old tricks solo after solo and added zero heart or soul.

That's all I'm arguing, people saying Richie's absence didn't effect the sonound one bit are either high or so up Jon's rear they can't think straight.

Bullshit. I've been a contributing member of this board for more than 6 years now and I've read a majority of your comments over those years and never once read anything of the sort. Furthermore, I don't need to read every single post you've ever made on this board to have a general idea of what you have posted as a member. I knew you would have responded exactly the way you did to this topic without even opening it and reading your post. Why? You either post a "news" story about the band, a post to defend Jon and his antics or an unfair post meant to discredit any and all contributions Richie has made to the band. You don't look at things related to Bon Jovi objectively.

Feel free to carry on if that's your opinions but don't act shocked when someone calls you on your shit. It's my observation and I'm calling it like it is.

You have my deepest sympathy for the loss of your friend. No innocent individual should ever be denied their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Having said that, I don't frequent these boards the way I used to as a college student looking for a study break and an escape. I hardly ever read any posts anymore unrelated to the band so to try to belittle me for responding to a Bon Jovi related topic the way I did is wrong. I don't have the time, energy or desire anymore to read everything.

Really interesting topic, at least for me as a guitarist. Richie is undeniably better guitarist imo. you have to look at the timing/phrasing/soul and built up dynamics to see sambora's superiority. tecnically phill x is quite impressive,fast and raw in a good way, but richie is in a whole other league where every note counts...dont judge him over one bad night, and its logical when you have to play the same songs over and over again to have some average nights. (and jon must have been responsible for the very few impros, i ve seen richie alternate licks mostly in these days tour-check the show in argentina)
having said that phil x may evolve and share with us some nice licks in the future(i have extensively watched him in numerous you tube clips), but i really really doubt he could come close to the guitar work of:1.wanted,2.faith.3.dry county.4.i'll be there for you,5.living on a prayer. in order to duplicate sth you must have the chops, in order to compose sth on the other hand you must have mastered it...

My very minor addition to the topic: I saw a Phil X show. It didn't suck by any means, in fact I enjoyed it for what it was. But it didn't have the normal Bon Jovi sound, not even close.

That's what I thought of all the bootlegs and clips I've heard from the Phil X shows. Even without seeing the video, you can tell it's not Richie playing by a mile! Yes, it's raw and at some points it was fast and exciting, overall, not quite the same quality though. And I bet Phil X would be the first to agree with the statement.

Richie is a lazy bastard. We all know it, we all knew it. But when he is on top of his game, there are very few people in the world that come anywhere close.

As to Becky's point, you once said about Richie's I'll Be There For You that you'd prefer to hear a version where it doesn't sound like the singer is "throwing up" while singing. That is pretty bad from any possible perspective, especially considering that Richie singing was for a great many people here the highlight of past tours, when Jon sounded like he was being strangled live on stage and we had to endure it. No wonder people don't take you serious when you pretend to 'appreciate' Richie.

People insult Jon's singing all the time, what's wrong with me saying how I feel about Richie's singing? I don't like it. I've never pretended to like it and I never will. Oh, I get it, it's a double standard. All the Richie fanboys and fangirls can't take hearing that someone doesn't like Richie's voice, but slagging off Jon is a sport around here.

I have argued his contributions to the band before and I will continue to do so when people pretend that Jon is responsible for everything they don't like and Richie is responsible for everything they do. They write and produce the songs together. Love it or hate it, you have to blame them both because most of the songs are cowritten by both of them. The only thing I don't think Richie is as responsible for in the band as Jon is is the political leanings in the songs and I don't like that, so that's not a compliment to Jon at all. I'd like to give Jon a swift kick in the arse and tell him to keep it to himself. Also, I've been nothing but positive about the potential of Richie's next solo album. I've said that it has the potential to be his best material due to what he's been through and his best selling due to social media promotion. I said what I heard sounded like Bon Jovi and that's not an insult. Bon Jovi happens to be my favorite band.

I've been a fan of Richie's longer than most of you have even known about the band. I don't appreciate someone telling me I think nothing of him as a person or a contributor to the band.

I came in this thread to compliment Phil because he did a good job and he deserves credit for what he did. I wanted to talk about Bon Jovi because Bon Jovi has brought me happiness in the worst of times, but when it turns into an insult match that takes the joy out of it. So it's really not worth it and I know I'm wasting my time.

I did say I'd prefer Richie :P

I don't think you're ever going to see what Phil X can do in that sense from watching videos that he makes... or indeed from his shows. Or from the Jovi shows. Which, by the way, I would never describe as 'out of his comfort zone' musically with the exception of the occasional long solo - which he's definitely capable of constructing, he played a few longer solos at his gig the other night but he clearly didn't put the same sort of effort into his Dry County solos for example. I don't know if that's because he was purely improvising rather than actually playing a previously written part or because he didn't want to step too far onto Richie's toes but they weren't a great example of what he can do.

For the record, I would say that some of the playing the other night was above that LA Master Class in proficiency... like I said before though, being able to play notes in the right key with great technique makes you technically very good but Richie's a much more creatively talented player so he's still, for me at least, more entertaining to listen to.