Retirement?

Mike McRock · #31 05-20-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by donnanj

Well Mike, I don't know what to tell you here.
If you are this disappointed in the band, maybe it is time to move on to another one.
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I've never liked one band...

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Originally Posted by donnanj

I see nothing wrong with them spending their off time however they want .
Do you not think they paid their dues? I think it is high time they spend time doing other things that interest them. As Becky pointed out, Richie isn't exactly holed up in a basement somewhere "rockin out". He is part owner in the Soul, doing some acting and investing in real estate.

As far as the box set goes, no one will know what is on it, until you hear it. So, to make judgements on it now is not fair.

I do think it should be all or nothing. If they feel they're paid their dues and it's time to move on then fine, nobody would hold it against him. It's coming out and doing half arsed shows, not caring about the gig. You can say what you like about that, but I saw him twice when he was just not interested at all. I said that before and people were saying about planes, and other things. There is no excuse for playing a gig and giving less than 100% I'd frown at him if he came out like that in a pub, but when you're playing infront of 40,000 + then it really is shocking. His attitude for me stinks, and it's partly reflected in the way he acts off tour.

The box set would have to be pretty special for me to buy it (having got most of what will go on in any case), but I'm guessing because of Bon Jovi's history, it won't be paticularly interesting. I've got the Deep Purple box set, which is interesting because it's put together to show the evolution of the band. Bon Jovi haven't had the changes in line up, and characters in the band to really I think show in a box set. I may be suprised, but I doubt I will be. And whatever the record company says, re-mixes and remasters are not new version!!!!!!

RockerFan · #32 05-21-2004, 03:26 PM

like somebody else has written....music is their job so they should work around 300 days per years like everybody else in the world.....stop take breaks....KEEP ON WORKIN BJ!!!!

ajs_jovi · #33 05-21-2004, 03:57 PM

I hope they will wait least till fall 2006 before realeasing a new studio album. I think that will do us all good. I "Bounce" came out a year laiter I think It would had been a much bigger success...and they never ever shouldnt releazed TLFR..

Mike McRock · #34 05-21-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ajs_jovi

I hope they will wait least till fall 2006 before realeasing a new studio album. I think that will do us all good. I "Bounce" came out a year laiter I think It would had been a much bigger success...and they never ever shouldnt releazed TLFR..

Does anybody here actually care THAT much if a Bon Jovi record is big or not? If Bounce came out ten years later I'd think exactly the same thing... what a load of shit!

*ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº* · #35 05-21-2004, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McRock

I'm sorry but that's just not rock and roll... Richie is having a break, which involves jamming with his old band, playing gigs.

The box set does not count in any way as rock and roll as it's basically another way of ripping off the fans regurgitating material, another crossroads but this time more expensive. And they won't do what they should do, which is put on completely old songs and tell the fans not to buy it, but to put on a track or two so people will buy 3 discs of what they already have just so they get those one or two songs.

Jon's not exactly taking a break, he's doing other things. Taking a break is fine when you work your arse off on tour, really busting a gut every night for 5 nights a week. Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

What about people like Dylan? He doesn't sell out or pretend he's somebody else, and he doesn't take a break.

Steve Morse for instance, toured more or less non stop with Deep Purple for about three years, had a two month break and so toured America with his own band. that's the bug that msuicians have, that's what makes them special and peform every night... And that's after big tours in the way Bon Jovi used to do it! Jon doesn't seem to have that anymore.

Richie is doing what I'd expect somebody where he is in music to do, which is go home and keep playing. I know when I was working eight hours straight in the studio playing keybaords, the first thing I did when I got home was turn my keyboard on and start playing. It was always said the best Hendrix shows were the shows he did after the gig jamming in some bar. There's just something about rock bands which Bon Jovi with the exception of Richie just don't seem to have in the same way now.

A few good points but all of them stated far over the top.
Maybe you get a life if you've got your own wife and children (< although I don't hope so).

Supersonic · #36 05-21-2004, 05:13 PM

Aloha !

Anybody with a 40 hour per week job works harder then any member from Bon Jovi.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Mike · #37 05-21-2004, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by *ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº*

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Originally Posted by Mike McRock

I'm sorry but that's just not rock and roll... Richie is having a break, which involves jamming with his old band, playing gigs.

The box set does not count in any way as rock and roll as it's basically another way of ripping off the fans regurgitating material, another crossroads but this time more expensive. And they won't do what they should do, which is put on completely old songs and tell the fans not to buy it, but to put on a track or two so people will buy 3 discs of what they already have just so they get those one or two songs.

Jon's not exactly taking a break, he's doing other things. Taking a break is fine when you work your arse off on tour, really busting a gut every night for 5 nights a week. Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

What about people like Dylan? He doesn't sell out or pretend he's somebody else, and he doesn't take a break.

Steve Morse for instance, toured more or less non stop with Deep Purple for about three years, had a two month break and so toured America with his own band. that's the bug that msuicians have, that's what makes them special and peform every night... And that's after big tours in the way Bon Jovi used to do it! Jon doesn't seem to have that anymore.

Richie is doing what I'd expect somebody where he is in music to do, which is go home and keep playing. I know when I was working eight hours straight in the studio playing keybaords, the first thing I did when I got home was turn my keyboard on and start playing. It was always said the best Hendrix shows were the shows he did after the gig jamming in some bar. There's just something about rock bands which Bon Jovi with the exception of Richie just don't seem to have in the same way now.

A few good points but all of them stated far over the top.
Maybe you get a life if you've got your own wife and children (< although I don't hope so).

Last thing I heard, getting a wife & kids doesn't do a lot for your 'life' - depending what u define as life. But going out & socialising isn't something it has a positive effect on.

donnanj · #38 05-21-2004, 07:44 PM

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Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

Seems I saw Jon break a sweat at the shows I saw. I disagree with Jon not giving 100%. At least what I saw.
What I don't understand is this. Why do you expect them to act any certain way, while they are not touring?
Are they not allowed to just be PEOPLE with lives outside the music industry?
Must they be "on" ALL the time?

I just don't "get" why people feel the band or any indiviual members of it, have to answer to us. They have other interests. They have lives, let them live them.

Mike McRock · #39 05-21-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by donnanj

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Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

Seems I saw Jon break a sweat at the shows I saw. I disagree with Jon not giving 100%. At least what I saw.
What I don't understand is this. Why do you expect them to act any certain way, while they are not touring?
Are they not allowed to just be PEOPLE with lives outside the music industry?
Must they be "on" ALL the time?

I just don't "get" why people feel the band or any indiviual members of it, have to answer to us. They have other interests. They have lives, let them live them.

Not acting rock and roll is just the icing on the cake. I've seen Jon live enough times to know when he's trying and when he's not... And the last two times I saw him he coudln't give a shit about the concert, the only really good part being when he left the stage and handed over to Richie.

I think people who are off tour and act like Jon is, and who on tour after shows acts like Jon does, is doing it as a job. He's going into work, doing what he's got to do, and then getting on with his life. I'm sorry but I expect a hell of a lot more than that. I want to see somebody on stage who wants to be peforming to me as much as or even more than I want to see them! I think Jon's got a serious attitude problem, and I think looking at the way he spends his time off helps to show where the problem might be, he's just not interested anymore.

Also I think the best peformers are the ones who aren't peforming. I've seen Glenn Hughes many times, and he's never ever seemed to be trying to be rock and roll... yet I've never seen him as anything other than that. The attitude he has onstage, kind of like the Estreet band thing 'you've got 2 hours left to live and this is what you're going to do with it'. I want to see people who are so up for it that that's what the concert, and the music is for them. Because that's what music is for me!

Mike McRock · #40 05-21-2004, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by *ºÇåptäîn¤Çrä§hº*

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Originally Posted by Mike McRock

I'm sorry but that's just not rock and roll... Richie is having a break, which involves jamming with his old band, playing gigs.

The box set does not count in any way as rock and roll as it's basically another way of ripping off the fans regurgitating material, another crossroads but this time more expensive. And they won't do what they should do, which is put on completely old songs and tell the fans not to buy it, but to put on a track or two so people will buy 3 discs of what they already have just so they get those one or two songs.

Jon's not exactly taking a break, he's doing other things. Taking a break is fine when you work your arse off on tour, really busting a gut every night for 5 nights a week. Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

What about people like Dylan? He doesn't sell out or pretend he's somebody else, and he doesn't take a break.

Steve Morse for instance, toured more or less non stop with Deep Purple for about three years, had a two month break and so toured America with his own band. that's the bug that msuicians have, that's what makes them special and peform every night... And that's after big tours in the way Bon Jovi used to do it! Jon doesn't seem to have that anymore.

Richie is doing what I'd expect somebody where he is in music to do, which is go home and keep playing. I know when I was working eight hours straight in the studio playing keybaords, the first thing I did when I got home was turn my keyboard on and start playing. It was always said the best Hendrix shows were the shows he did after the gig jamming in some bar. There's just something about rock bands which Bon Jovi with the exception of Richie just don't seem to have in the same way now.

A few good points but all of them stated far over the top.
Maybe you get a life if you've got your own wife and children (< although I don't hope so).

More reason to not go through the motinos. If Jon's not dedicated enough, and doesn't want it enough that he can't go out and give his all for a show, then why bother? He's got all the money he could ever want, he could continue to make money in other areas, and could then spend a hell of a lot more time with his family! And don't tell me that he is giving his all because he clearly doesn't... Off nights are one thing, but on a 4 date tour of England seeing 2 dates and getting two wash outs is unacceptable. I mean if you can't get 'up' for 50,000 people then you shouldn't be playing music!!!!!!

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