Retirement?

Mike, I am not going to go point for point with you. Obviously you see the band and Jons performance differently then I do. I will agree to disagree. I am not going to make you see my point of view and you are not going to make me see yours.

To donnanj: www.backstagejbj.com you can kiss his ass there.

Was wondering how long it would take you to make a backstage crack .

Mouse, see this is why I don't try to participate in intelligent conversation here.

Indeed, but it DOES have effect on it. That's what I was saying.

I see your points a bit clearer now and I agree Jon's not ALL THAT enthusiastic for it anymore and sometimes you can see it. But why should he? He reached everything he ever dreamed of.
Thing is you are 19 and he is 42, has seen almost every place on earth and knows how things go around and - other than you - has realised that an Rock N Roll attitude is not everything! You don't like his attitude? I guess he's fine with that.

Thowing all on Jon's age and experience is stupid. There are enaugh people that were kickin' the s hit out of everybody at the show with 42. Take Steven Tyler?How old is he now???10 years ago AEROSMITH was cleary the best live band in the world.
Take Ozzy...he is THE STAR right now...he has been everywhere...he is 55 and still a showman that can't wait to entertain that f*ckin' crowd.

Do i have to say anything about Springsteen?
What about BONO. U2's latest tours have been just amazing(that's what I heard at least)

Ok, Jon has reached all he wanted...ok, then why the hell does he tour if he did that? Why the hell does he do concerts if he can't entertain those fans as much as he did in the past.

Aloha !

There are also artists who've reached what they dreamed of and now give shows in which they do not give the same effort as when they were giving at the time they actually were at the point they dreamed off : Bryan Adams, Oasis, Eric Clapton...

Still, those shows are most of the time great, but they're certainly not the best shows they can give, and therefore the shows are lacking enthusiasm. To me the problem isn't the attitude, I don't care if Jon or any other member is rock & roll in his free time, I do care for shows with not enough soul in them, and a lot of shows during the Bounce tour were lacking it. Soundwise it did sound very well, but when looking at the enthusiasm the Crush and especially the OWN tour had a lot more to offer.


Ozzy is a star because of MTV, and if you think that is the way to stay populair among the young kids I'd rather have Bon Jovi making a more poppy album then some silly MTV soap. Plus Ozzy is 55 and does not want to tour anymore, he just wants to rest. Sharon is the one who's behind a lot of things, not Ozzy.

No.

Ask anyone who've witnessed the last Bon Jovi tour, they all think it was a real good show. Bon Jovi is still giving real good shows, but they can be really, really good, and that's the thing that bugs me. They rarely have those nights. Maybe 6 shows in Europe, a few in the US and a few Japanese shows.

Everyone in Bon Jovi tours for fun and to make money. But while fun was the main priority in the nineties, money is the main priority now I think. The OWN tour was there pure for fun I think, because they already knew they'd be touring again after the Crush tour while the Crush tour hadn't even finished. They were getting into it since their last break after These Days, and were hungry for more. At least, that's what I think.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

You are right about the MTV thing.But FACT is, OZZY is now a star more than he ever was. All that sick MTV generation knows him. His last album wasn't a masterpiec but i guess it was ok. Still ,on tour he just kicks ass. He does all the crazy shit he has always done .Ok, Zakk Wylde is a big help too for he is a genius.
Maybe it's Sharon behind the TOURS but fact is OZZY sings on stage.Ozzy is the showman. And maybe he doesn't even like it, but you can't see it while he sings.
And the point was, if Ozzy is 10 years older than Jon, if he is at least as popular as Jon,even he has (almost)as much money as Jon and even if he doen't like what he does, HE DOES IT BETTER THAN JON.And I guess this just ismn't right.


I have seen a REAL good JOVI show last summer. It was a rock show without even a ballad and a killer set but probably it's been like that because they knew they are at a HARD 'n' HEAVY FESTIVAL where also Metallica and Iron Maiden play...i don't know.And Jovi kicked ass, still I expected more.

Ozzy is cool...

No retirement needed for these guys....

I did not say there aren't. I said I'm fine with what Jon does. And I rather attend 10 Jovi shows like they are right now than one Aerosmith gig - and I like Aerosmith! But I am just comfortable with Bon Jovi.

I don't want to know how many gigs he fvcked up because of his 'attitude'. I rather see my band doing a complete good - or on your scale average - tour than just some freaky highlights because of some stupid RNR thing. Bon Jovi had their wild days, too and the band nearly broke up because of it. I look at all that under a longevitiy aspect and not 'live fast die young'. This is obviously something that does not attract you cause it's not rebellious or anything special, but it's what attracts ME to them - not to be cool and RNR just for the sake of it. And you will agree that it's at least healthier.

He's a phenomenon live, but his attitude ain't RNR at all.

I suppose he's fine with what he does, too. And I for one was pretty entertained last time, although I picked not the best show to go. He was ill.