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Old 05-21-2004, 09:32 PM
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Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

Seems I saw Jon break a sweat at the shows I saw. I disagree with Jon not giving 100%. At least what I saw.
What I don't understand is this. Why do you expect them to act any certain way, while they are not touring?
Are they not allowed to just be PEOPLE with lives outside the music industry?
Must they be "on" ALL the time?

I just don't "get" why people feel the band or any indiviual members of it, have to answer to us. They have other interests. They have lives, let them live them.
Not acting rock and roll is just the icing on the cake. I've seen Jon live enough times to know when he's trying and when he's not... And the last two times I saw him he coudln't give a **** about the concert, the only really good part being when he left the stage and handed over to Richie.

I think people who are off tour and act like Jon is, and who on tour after shows acts like Jon does, is doing it as a job. He's going into work, doing what he's got to do, and then getting on with his life. I'm sorry but I expect a hell of a lot more than that. I want to see somebody on stage who wants to be peforming to me as much as or even more than I want to see them! I think Jon's got a serious attitude problem, and I think looking at the way he spends his time off helps to show where the problem might be, he's just not interested anymore.

Also I think the best peformers are the ones who aren't peforming. I've seen Glenn Hughes many times, and he's never ever seemed to be trying to be rock and roll... yet I've never seen him as anything other than that. The attitude he has onstage, kind of like the Estreet band thing 'you've got 2 hours left to live and this is what you're going to do with it'. I want to see people who are so up for it that that's what the concert, and the music is for them. Because that's what music is for me!
Mike, I am not going to go point for point with you. Obviously you see the band and Jons performance differently then I do. I will agree to disagree. I am not going to make you see my point of view and you are not going to make me see yours.
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Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

Seems I saw Jon break a sweat at the shows I saw. I disagree with Jon not giving 100%. At least what I saw.
What I don't understand is this. Why do you expect them to act any certain way, while they are not touring?
Are they not allowed to just be PEOPLE with lives outside the music industry?
Must they be "on" ALL the time?

I just don't "get" why people feel the band or any indiviual members of it, have to answer to us. They have other interests. They have lives, let them live them.
Not acting rock and roll is just the icing on the cake. I've seen Jon live enough times to know when he's trying and when he's not... And the last two times I saw him he coudln't give a **** about the concert, the only really good part being when he left the stage and handed over to Richie.

I think people who are off tour and act like Jon is, and who on tour after shows acts like Jon does, is doing it as a job. He's going into work, doing what he's got to do, and then getting on with his life. I'm sorry but I expect a hell of a lot more than that. I want to see somebody on stage who wants to be peforming to me as much as or even more than I want to see them! I think Jon's got a serious attitude problem, and I think looking at the way he spends his time off helps to show where the problem might be, he's just not interested anymore.

Also I think the best peformers are the ones who aren't peforming. I've seen Glenn Hughes many times, and he's never ever seemed to be trying to be rock and roll... yet I've never seen him as anything other than that. The attitude he has onstage, kind of like the Estreet band thing 'you've got 2 hours left to live and this is what you're going to do with it'. I want to see people who are so up for it that that's what the concert, and the music is for them. Because that's what music is for me!
Mike, I am not going to go point for point with you. Obviously you see the band and Jons performance differently then I do. I will agree to disagree. I am not going to make you see my point of view and you are not going to make me see yours.
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Jon didn't break into a sweat on the last tour... the only person who really needs a break is Richie, and he's the only one who's acting like a musician!

Seems I saw Jon break a sweat at the shows I saw. I disagree with Jon not giving 100%. At least what I saw.
What I don't understand is this. Why do you expect them to act any certain way, while they are not touring?
Are they not allowed to just be PEOPLE with lives outside the music industry?
Must they be "on" ALL the time?

I just don't "get" why people feel the band or any indiviual members of it, have to answer to us. They have other interests. They have lives, let them live them.
Not acting rock and roll is just the icing on the cake. I've seen Jon live enough times to know when he's trying and when he's not... And the last two times I saw him he coudln't give a **** about the concert, the only really good part being when he left the stage and handed over to Richie.

I think people who are off tour and act like Jon is, and who on tour after shows acts like Jon does, is doing it as a job. He's going into work, doing what he's got to do, and then getting on with his life. I'm sorry but I expect a hell of a lot more than that. I want to see somebody on stage who wants to be peforming to me as much as or even more than I want to see them! I think Jon's got a serious attitude problem, and I think looking at the way he spends his time off helps to show where the problem might be, he's just not interested anymore.

Also I think the best peformers are the ones who aren't peforming. I've seen Glenn Hughes many times, and he's never ever seemed to be trying to be rock and roll... yet I've never seen him as anything other than that. The attitude he has onstage, kind of like the Estreet band thing 'you've got 2 hours left to live and this is what you're going to do with it'. I want to see people who are so up for it that that's what the concert, and the music is for them. Because that's what music is for me!
Mike, I am not going to go point for point with you. Obviously you see the band and Jons performance differently then I do. I will agree to disagree. I am not going to make you see my point of view and you are not going to make me see yours.
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Last thing I heard, getting a wife & kids doesn't do a lot for your 'life' - depending what u define as life. But going out & socialising isn't something it has a positive effect on.
Indeed, but it DOES have effect on it. That's what I was saying.
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More reason to not go through the motinos. If Jon's not dedicated enough, and doesn't want it enough that he can't go out and give his all for a show, then why bother? He's got all the money he could ever want, he could continue to make money in other areas, and could then spend a hell of a lot more time with his family! And don't tell me that he is giving his all because he clearly doesn't... Off nights are one thing, but on a 4 date tour of England seeing 2 dates and getting two wash outs is unacceptable. I mean if you can't get 'up' for 50,000 people then you shouldn't be playing music!!!!!!
I see your points a bit clearer now and I agree Jon's not ALL THAT enthusiastic for it anymore and sometimes you can see it. But why should he? He reached everything he ever dreamed of.
Thing is you are 19 and he is 42, has seen almost every place on earth and knows how things go around and - other than you - has realised that an Rock N Roll attitude is not everything! You don't like his attitude? I guess he's fine with that.
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More reason to not go through the motinos. If Jon's not dedicated enough, and doesn't want it enough that he can't go out and give his all for a show, then why bother? He's got all the money he could ever want, he could continue to make money in other areas, and could then spend a hell of a lot more time with his family! And don't tell me that he is giving his all because he clearly doesn't... Off nights are one thing, but on a 4 date tour of England seeing 2 dates and getting two wash outs is unacceptable. I mean if you can't get 'up' for 50,000 people then you shouldn't be playing music!!!!!!
I see your points a bit clearer now and I agree Jon's not ALL THAT enthusiastic for it anymore and sometimes you can see it. But why should he? He reached everything he ever dreamed of.
Thing is you are 19 and he is 42, has seen almost every place on earth and knows how things go around and - other than you - has realised that an Rock N Roll attitude is not everything! You don't like his attitude? I guess he's fine with that.
Thowing all on Jon's age and experience is stupid. There are enaugh people that were kickin' the s hit out of everybody at the show with 42. Take Steven Tyler?How old is he now???10 years ago AEROSMITH was cleary the best live band in the world.
Take Ozzy...he is THE STAR right now...he has been everywhere...he is 55 and still a showman that can't wait to entertain that f*ckin' crowd.

Do i have to say anything about Springsteen?
What about BONO. U2's latest tours have been just amazing(that's what I heard at least)

Ok, Jon has reached all he wanted...ok, then why the hell does he tour if he did that? Why the hell does he do concerts if he can't entertain those fans as much as he did in the past.
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I see your points a bit clearer now and I agree Jon's not ALL THAT enthusiastic for it anymore and sometimes you can see it. But why should he? He reached everything he ever dreamed of. Thing is you are 19 and he is 42, has seen almost every place on earth and knows how things go around and - other than you - has realised that an Rock N Roll attitude is not everything! You don't like his attitude? I guess he's fine with that.
Thowing all on Jon's age and experience is stupid. There are enaugh people that were kickin' the s hit out of everybody at the show with 42. Take Steven Tyler?How old is he now???10 years ago AEROSMITH was cleary the best live band in the world.
There are also artists who've reached what they dreamed of and now give shows in which they do not give the same effort as when they were giving at the time they actually were at the point they dreamed off : Bryan Adams, Oasis, Eric Clapton...

Still, those shows are most of the time great, but they're certainly not the best shows they can give, and therefore the shows are lacking enthusiasm. To me the problem isn't the attitude, I don't care if Jon or any other member is rock & roll in his free time, I do care for shows with not enough soul in them, and a lot of shows during the Bounce tour were lacking it. Soundwise it did sound very well, but when looking at the enthusiasm the Crush and especially the OWN tour had a lot more to offer.


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Take Ozzy...he is THE STAR right now...he has been everywhere...he is 55 and still a showman that can't wait to entertain that f*ckin' crowd.
Ozzy is a star because of MTV, and if you think that is the way to stay populair among the young kids I'd rather have Bon Jovi making a more poppy album then some silly MTV soap. Plus Ozzy is 55 and does not want to tour anymore, he just wants to rest. Sharon is the one who's behind a lot of things, not Ozzy.

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What about BONO. U2's latest tours have been just amazing(that's what I heard at least)
Ask anyone who've witnessed the last Bon Jovi tour, they all think it was a real good show. Bon Jovi is still giving real good shows, but they can be really, really good, and that's the thing that bugs me. They rarely have those nights. Maybe 6 shows in Europe, a few in the US and a few Japanese shows.

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Ok, Jon has reached all he wanted...ok, then why the hell does he tour if he did that? Why the hell does he do concerts if he can't entertain those fans as much as he did in the past.
Everyone in Bon Jovi tours for fun and to make money. But while fun was the main priority in the nineties, money is the main priority now I think. The OWN tour was there pure for fun I think, because they already knew they'd be touring again after the Crush tour while the Crush tour hadn't even finished. They were getting into it since their last break after These Days, and were hungry for more. At least, that's what I think.

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Take Ozzy...he is THE STAR right now...he has been everywhere...he is 55 and still a showman that can't wait to entertain that f*ckin' crowd.
Ozzy is a star because of MTV, and if you think that is the way to stay populair among the young kids I'd rather have Bon Jovi making a more poppy album then some silly MTV soap. Plus Ozzy is 55 and does not want to tour anymore, he just wants to rest. Sharon is the one who's behind a lot of things, not Ozzy.
You are right about the MTV thing.But FACT is, OZZY is now a star more than he ever was. All that sick MTV generation knows him. His last album wasn't a masterpiec but i guess it was ok. Still ,on tour he just kicks ass. He does all the crazy shit he has always done .Ok, Zakk Wylde is a big help too for he is a genius.
Maybe it's Sharon behind the TOURS but fact is OZZY sings on stage.Ozzy is the showman. And maybe he doesn't even like it, but you can't see it while he sings.
And the point was, if Ozzy is 10 years older than Jon, if he is at least as popular as Jon,even he has (almost)as much money as Jon and even if he doen't like what he does, HE DOES IT BETTER THAN JON.And I guess this just ismn't right.


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What about BONO. U2's latest tours have been just amazing(that's what I heard at least)
Ask anyone who've witnessed the last Bon Jovi tour, they all think it was a real good show. Bon Jovi is still giving real good shows, but they can be really, really good, and that's the thing that bugs me. They rarely have those nights. Maybe 6 shows in Europe, a few in the US and a few Japanese shows.
I have seen a REAL good JOVI show last summer. It was a rock show without even a ballad and a killer set but probably it's been like that because they knew they are at a HARD 'n' HEAVY FESTIVAL where also Metallica and Iron Maiden play...i don't know.And Jovi kicked ass, still I expected more.
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Thowing all on Jon's age and experience is stupid. There are enaugh people that were kickin' the s hit out of everybody at the show with 42. Take Steven Tyler?How old is he now???10 years ago AEROSMITH was cleary the best live band in the world.
I did not say there aren't. I said I'm fine with what Jon does. And I rather attend 10 Jovi shows like they are right now than one Aerosmith gig - and I like Aerosmith! But I am just comfortable with Bon Jovi.

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Take Ozzy...he is THE STAR right now...he has been everywhere...he is 55 and still a showman that can't wait to entertain that f*ckin' crowd.
I don't want to know how many gigs he fvcked up because of his 'attitude'. I rather see my band doing a complete good - or on your scale average - tour than just some freaky highlights because of some stupid RNR thing. Bon Jovi had their wild days, too and the band nearly broke up because of it. I look at all that under a longevitiy aspect and not 'live fast die young'. This is obviously something that does not attract you cause it's not rebellious or anything special, but it's what attracts ME to them - not to be cool and RNR just for the sake of it. And you will agree that it's at least healthier.

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He's a phenomenon live, but his attitude ain't RNR at all.

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Ok, Jon has reached all he wanted...ok, then why the hell does he tour if he did that? Why the hell does he do concerts if he can't entertain those fans as much as he did in the past.
I suppose he's fine with what he does, too. And I for one was pretty entertained last time, although I picked not the best show to go. He was ill.
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