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Old 11-25-2005, 11:46 PM
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Richie seems to be a lot more into low-key, acoustic bluesy playing nowadays, rather than big fat riffs or whatever. If you listen to like Bells Of Freedom, You Had Me From Hello, Welcome To Wherever You Are, most of This Left Feels Right ... I mean, I don't know for sure, but it seems that maybe Richie is enjoying doing lower-register acoustic playing
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Richie is largely a guitarist who plays more for feeling than technicality. And, I figure at the moment, he plays more to compliment the song as a whole, rather than to show off his ability .

Yes thats always been true . Look , all in all true fans appricate Richies solo works , albums toures etc. As usual , fans refuse to see that. I really my whole life hate fans that are so "pro Jon Slippey When Wet era" I get sik bein at the same concert they are . Pretty pathethic sight of woman ( and Im a woman) to see this.
But let me say...hang with REAL richie fans and well it really is a diffrent atmoshere all together.
Sadly richie has ALWAYS been held back , and I felt he deffinalty saw things " start to pop" with Jon and hung in for the long hall ..
The truth VERY smart man ....and best career move
The day the band takes another 5 year break and Richie can be Richie is the day I skip down the pike like the pied piper of hamlin...
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Richie seems to be a lot more into low-key, acoustic bluesy playing nowadays, rather than big fat riffs or whatever. If you listen to like Bells Of Freedom, You Had Me From Hello, Welcome To Wherever You Are, most of This Left Feels Right ... I mean, I don't know for sure, but it seems that maybe Richie is enjoying doing lower-register acoustic playing
I see what you mean. He never hid the fact he loved acoustic anyway. Pity it's a side of him that's even harder to show inside BJ than his electric skills.

I hope his next solo album will be bluesy and acoustic. (for the most part)


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Old 11-26-2005, 01:28 AM
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Richie is largely a guitarist who plays more for feeling than technicality. And, I figure at the moment, he plays more to compliment the song as a whole, rather than to show off his ability .

Yes thats always been true . Look , all in all true fans appricate Richies solo works , albums toures etc. As usual , fans refuse to see that. I really my whole life hate fans that are so "pro Jon Slippey When Wet era" I get sik bein at the same concert they are . Pretty pathethic sight of woman ( and Im a woman) to see this.
But let me say...hang with REAL richie fans and well it really is a diffrent atmoshere all together.
Sadly richie has ALWAYS been held back , and I felt he deffinalty saw things " start to pop" with Jon and hung in for the long hall ..
The truth VERY smart man ....and best career move
The day the band takes another 5 year break and Richie can be Richie is the day I skip down the pike like the pied piper of hamlin...
hand me my picallo .....
Im ready to skip ......
Please don't agree with me, it's nauseating
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Oh please, get off the 'true fans" soapbox!! As if you have to be someone special to appreciate Richies guitar work.

Becky's right, Richie has chosen to be where he is, in the band he's in, and to play the music he plays, he does have equal creative control and has been known to fight with Jon if he feels passionately about a song, so to say he is held back by the band is ludicrious.
I also agree he plays more by feel than technical brilliance, if it feels good to him he goes with it, if when crafting a song he feels it needs light touch, acoustic playing then well that is what he does.

Could he have had more critical acclaim as a guitarist if he had chose to play solo or with a band other than BJ??? Absolutely, but apparently he's not concerned enough about it to leave, he could, it's not like Jon has him chained up in Sanctuary and only lets him out to tour.

As for the new record, why should we hate it just because you do??? There is other music out there, other bands to follow, if you feel that BJ no longer does what you think they shouls or could, then why not find something else to spend your money on??? Apparently alot of people stil think they play fine Arenas are sold out all over the place.
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Right. Because if Richie does something people don't like, it's Jon's fault. Does anyone else see how stupid that is? Richie COWRITES the songs. He COPRODUCES the songs. He's 1/2 the major creative force of Bon Jovi. Two of the lengthiest solos he's done are on two songs Jon wrote ALONE (Dry County, Right Side of Wrong). Jon is not holding Richie back as a guitarist. What they create as a band is due to all the guys, but primarily to Jon and Richie and whoever the other producer is becuase they have the most influence on the creative process. It's ridiculous to use Jon as a scapegoat if you're not pleased with Richie's work with the band. That's like blaming Hugh if you don't like Jon's vocals.

Hey, maybe the real key was Alec. People have been consistently bitching about everything the band has done since he left. Let's all blame Alec!!!
Ok, let's see some points:

Richie cowrites the songs? But, did you already seen any BJ song that Richie is the only songwriter? But probably you've already seen that jon is the writer of various songs of BON JOVI?
What can i say about "Acess All Areas"? Jon looks like a Hitler to me. Everybody knows that Jon makes the set lists, JUST HIMSELF...

About his voice:
I've heard the microphone line of Jon from Buffalo '03. With no effects... with no reverb, refining tone (i don't know how to say it in english lol) etc. It's a disaster, a big crash! lol
Almost all performances from Bounce Tour are a disaster. And from Crush Tour and OWN Tour too?
But, i agree with you that is not all jon's blame, but maybe he is 85% guilty. That's fair...
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Ok, let's see some points:

Richie cowrites the songs? But, did you already seen any BJ song that Richie is the only songwriter? But probably you've already seen that jon is the writer of various songs of BON JOVI?
Jon is a better writer than Richie.

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But, i agree with you that is not all jon's blame, but maybe he is 85% guilty. That's fair...
Ah the good old "Riche is god, Jon is satan" argument. If Jon was such a tyrant or whatnot we'd have heard something from Richie or Tico or Dave but no, everyone seems quite happy.
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Jon is a better writer than Richie.
I agree with you, but It isn't the point, the point is that only Jon can write a song solo.

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Ah the good old "Riche is god, Jon is satan" argument. If Jon was such a tyrant or whatnot we'd have heard something from Richie or Tico or Dave but no, everyone seems quite happy.
In the '80s It "probably" had already happened hehehe...
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I find it funny that most fans get pi$$ed when journos cant distinguish between JBJ solo and the band, and yet they seem to blame Jon for everything that goes wrong as if he is the only one in the band. If some of the die-hards have trouble with the concept of a band then so too will journos.

Jon has admitted at times that he will dictate what is to happen. But didnt he also say that, for the most part, if any member wants a song on an album then it usually goes on?

He is not immune to advice or other opinions. Apparently Jon didnt want LOAP and Always to be released but Richie and some a&r guy convinced him otherwise.

Some people are living in Disneyland. If Jon was as bad as people claim then no one would work with him. Funny how so many people have commented on what an all round nice guy he is. Perhaps Jon was holding a gun to their heads when the question was asked.

I would imagine if the band read this they would be pi$$ing themselves laughing.

And as for Richie writing solo, there wasnt one song written by him alone on US. Can we take it that Jon, paranoid that Richie was going to unleash his unparallelled talent on the world showing the band's frontman up for the fraud he is, stopped Richie from writing alone? Dont be stupid. On SITT, the weakest track (Mr Bluesman) was a Richie solo effort.

Jon is a better songwriter, end of story. Personally though, I prefer when they write together.
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Old 11-26-2005, 04:07 PM
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no ones forcing you to buy the stuff.... just a wee thought.

you'll never see guitar players use every bit of talent in bands anyways.
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