Richie Sambora!!!

Captain_jovi · #**1171** 09-11-2019, 01:02 AM

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding why Beyonce was brought into this it's just...WORLDS apart. For one, Beyonce had a strong fan base built by previous success touring with hit singles, multiple hit albums released prior using conventional promotion. A more apt comparison would be Beyonce leaving Destiny's Child and then dropping an album online with little promo.

Rdkopper · #**1172** 09-11-2019, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding why Beyonce was brought into this it's just...WORLDS apart. For one, Beyonce had a strong fan base built by previous success touring with hit singles, multiple hit albums released prior using conventional promotion. A more apt comparison would be Beyonce leaving Destiny's Child and then dropping an album online with little promo.

Again, he was just using that as a way to show how powerful the internet is...

On a much smaller scale, Richie fans, Ori fans, and even most Bon Jovi fans were all well aware of this project... The promo shows were unrehearsed and sloppy. The interviews were even worse and awkward.

Don't forget, this project started as a Richie only solo album so many fans probably didn't realize it was a 50/50 vocal split. I thought Richie was going to be the lead and Ori was the back up / harmonizer. I also didn't think there was a lack of guitars.

We got The Last Jedi of Star Wars movies. Don Henley meets Taylor Swift.

There were more things wrong with this entire project then right..

I agree, Richie and Beyonce are not comparable. That wasn't the point. However, Richie has more power than most Indy bands and I can tell you first hand that there are a lot of Indy bands that have succeeded way past RSO by coming up with some good stuff and developing a solid following by basically going viral...

So maybe Beyonce was a little extreme and thew a few of you off, but I got his point and I hope you now do too.

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Thinny · #**1173** 09-11-2019, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

That wasn't the point. However, Richie has more power than most Indy bands

You'd be suprised...

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and I can tell you first hand that there are a lot of Indy bands that have succeeded way past RSO by coming up with some good stuff and developing a solid following by basically going viral...

Right, these indie bands also spent a lot of time building up a fan base and playing live, expanding their audience before that happened. RSO did none of that. Playing gigs is a form of promotion. Also I guarentee that the bands did local radio, events, or anything to get the ball rolling. They also probably invested some money in paid facebook ads etc. These things just don't go viral without someone pushing them, that's not how it works. These indie bands still have management. Are the management just sitting back and watching this happen? Of course not, they are out there actively pushing the band. RSO didn't seem to have anybody doing this. Also these indie bands are also likely to be younger bands, with a younger audience that spends much more time on facebook, etc. Not a 60 year old and his 30something year old girlfriend, who's primary audience is probably 40 - 55? That age range does not spend a lot of time on social media, especially compared to a younger audience. I'm not saying social media isn't important, it absolutely is. But you need to know your audience....

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

So maybe Beyonce was a little extreme and thew a few of you off, but I got his point and I hope you now do too.

I don't need a lesson in how the internet works or how powerful it is, that's my job. Beyonce was a lot extreme. As I said the rules are not the same for an established, extremely successful artist and an act just starting out. They are two different worlds completely...

DestinationJovi · #**1174** 09-11-2019, 03:02 AM

Ugh. Did no one bother to read the specific post I replied to?

Thinny asked how music can create a buzz if no one knows about it. He said the biggest mistake an artist can make is to rely on social media to create a buzz and that many artists underestimate the importance of old school promotional methods.

No one knew about Beyonce's album dropping. She did no promo. It spread on social media like wildfire and sold over half a million digital copies in three days. I wasn't comparing RSO to Beyoncé FFS. It was just an example of an artist who successfully did what Thinny said can't/shouldn't be done.

And with that, I'm throwing in the towel. It's exhausting to have to break things down to the lowest common denominator because points (that are really not that complicated) go flying over people's heads. This isn't the first time, but it's definitely the last. I just can't stomach this forum anymore. Too much stupidity running amuck.

Rdkopper · #**1175** 09-11-2019, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinny

You'd be suprised...

Right, these indie bands also spent a lot of time building up a fan base and playing live, expanding their audience before that happened. RSO did none of that. Playing gigs is a form of promotion. Also I guarentee that the bands did local radio, events, or anything to get the ball rolling. They also probably invested some money in paid facebook ads etc. These things just don't go viral without someone pushing them, that's not how it works. These indie bands still have management. Are the management just sitting back and watching this happen? Of course not, they are out there actively pushing the band. RSO didn't seem to have anybody doing this. Also these indie bands are also likely to be younger bands, with a younger audience that spends much more time on facebook, etc. Not a 60 year old and his 30something year old girlfriend, who's primary audience is probably 40 - 55? That age range does not spend a lot of time on social media, especially compared to a younger audience. I'm not saying social media isn't important, it absolutely is. But you need to know your audience....

I don't need a lesson in how the internet works or how powerful it is, that's my job. Beyonce was a lot extreme. As I said the rules are not the same for an established, extremely successful artist and an act just starting out. They are two different worlds completely...

I feel like we are spinning in circles here...

Are you calling RSO underrated and blaming their failure on lack of promo?

Or are you agreeing that they do suck but could have benefitted from a little more promo?

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james_d · #**1176** 09-11-2019, 11:22 AM

I think it's a pretty valid point re RSO that they would've been more recognisable if they were just called Richie Sambora and Orianthi. Problem is though that still wouldn't have paired the album with Richie's other solo stuff. Also worth remembering how many people view BJ as Jon and then his backing band.

YOVANAfromPeru · #**1177** 09-11-2019, 01:10 PM

To be honest, I would find hard to trust in a person who her "most trustable advisor" is a ugly cat: https://www.instagram.com/p/B17o55xl3-7/

No wonder why RSO was... you know what it was >_< jajaj

Thinny · #**1178** 09-11-2019, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi

Ugh. Did no one bother to read the specific post I replied to?

Thinny asked how music can create a buzz if no one knows about it. He said the biggest mistake an artist can make is to rely on social media to create a buzz and that many artists underestimate the importance of old school promotional methods.

No one knew about Beyonce's album dropping. She did no promo. It spread on social media like wildfire and sold over half a million digital copies in three days. I wasn't comparing RSO to Beyoncé FFS. It was just an example of an artist who successfully did what Thinny said can't/shouldn't be done.

And with that, I'm throwing in the towel. It's exhausting to have to break things down to the lowest common denominator because points (that are really not that complicated) go flying over people's heads. This isn't the first time, but it's definitely the last. I just can't stomach this forum anymore. Too much stupidity running amuck.

You're just not getting it. I was talking about a new artist, not an established artist that had already sold millions of records, as I explained in my initial reply if you care to read it properly...

An artist with an existing fan base can do that. A new project, with essentially no fan base, apart from a few cross over fans cannot do that. End of. It's really not complicated....

Thinny · #**1179** 09-11-2019, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

I feel like we are spinning in circles here...

Are you calling RSO underrated and blaming their failure on lack of promo?

Or are you agreeing that they do suck but could have benefitted from a little more promo?

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I'm not saying either, I'm just explaining how these things work. I'm not sure you actually read or understood my post at all...

Captain_jovi · #**1180** 09-11-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi

Ugh. Did no one bother to read the specific post I replied to?

Thinny asked how music can create a buzz if no one knows about it. He said the biggest mistake an artist can make is to rely on social media to create a buzz and that many artists underestimate the importance of old school promotional methods.

No one knew about Beyonce's album dropping. She did no promo. It spread on social media like wildfire and sold over half a million digital copies in three days. I wasn't comparing RSO to Beyoncé FFS. It was just an example of an artist who successfully did what Thinny said can't/shouldn't be done.

And with that, I'm throwing in the towel. It's exhausting to have to break things down to the lowest common denominator because points (that are really not that complicated) go flying over people's heads. This isn't the first time, but it's definitely the last. I just can't stomach this forum anymore. Too much stupidity running amuck.

With all due respect, if everyone (minus RD who keeps calling you he?) didn't understand the point you were making, calling us stupid is one way of handling it, understanding that maybe it wasn't a great point is another. If you suggest something that doesn't go over well on a discussion board and people discuss it, kinda par for the course. No one is attacking you or being rude about it, we just disagree.

Totally understood what you were saying but again, it's Beyonce. It sold on wildfire partly because she had everything in place. She successfully did what Thinny said can't/shouldn't be done with a big team in place and years of touring behind her. We're not misunderstanding what you're saying, your example just doesn't make sense to me.

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