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Old 12-14-2019, 02:24 AM
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“Well, if you consider numbers, we’re as big or bigger than ever. You see how they come back again and trust in the change in lineup and the musical direction in as much as I’m not trying to rewrite ‘You Give Love a Bad Name,’” says Bon Jovi, discussing the runaway success of his latest “This House Is Not For Sale” tour which wrapped in October. “I think that speaks to me as the leader and primary songwriter, that they trust me as an audience.

"And that’s a leap of faith for them to take, because they bought into a certain thing that they may have grown up in or grown up with. They have to then trust me, and if it wasn’t worth their time and money, they would move on and keep the memories wherever music fans store them.”

About Richie:
“This isn’t a band that is dependent on the guitar player like Van Halen or U2 or something, it was about the songs and it was about me,” Jon Bon Jovi tells Pollstar of its current incarnation and the departure of Sambora. “We got it. I wish he was here, too, because we were a formidable duo. Our voices were the magic and he’s a great guy and all that kind of stuff, but his choices have led him astray.”

On touring:
“I do remember the beginning of the conversation and, it must have been in 2014, telling Tico my thought processes,” Bon Jovi tells Pollstar. “That instead of doing 100-show tours and then you’re tired into Year Two, and then in Year Three you write and record a record and start the cycle again, why not do the same 100 shows over the course of the same three years. Everything is much more civilized, and therefore you could be writing and recording simultaneously, never missing out on the home stuff, if we scheduled it properly,” Bon Jovi explains.

“So then you could go out every year and not wear out your touring markets, because every third year, that market would be ready for you again.”
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Old 12-14-2019, 04:02 AM
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“Well, if you consider numbers, we’re as big or bigger than ever. You see how they come back again and trust in the change in lineup and the musical direction in as much as I’m not trying to rewrite ‘You Give Love a Bad Name,’” says Bon Jovi, discussing the runaway success of his latest “This House Is Not For Sale” tour which wrapped in October. “I think that speaks to me as the leader and primary songwriter, that they trust me as an audience.

"And that’s a leap of faith for them to take, because they bought into a certain thing that they may have grown up in or grown up with. They have to then trust me, and if it wasn’t worth their time and money, they would move on and keep the memories wherever music fans store them.”

About Richie:
“This isn’t a band that is dependent on the guitar player like Van Halen or U2 or something, it was about the songs and it was about me,” Jon Bon Jovi tells Pollstar of its current incarnation and the departure of Sambora. “We got it. I wish he was here, too, because we were a formidable duo. Our voices were the magic and he’s a great guy and all that kind of stuff, but his choices have led him astray.”

On touring:
“I do remember the beginning of the conversation and, it must have been in 2014, telling Tico my thought processes,” Bon Jovi tells Pollstar. “That instead of doing 100-show tours and then you’re tired into Year Two, and then in Year Three you write and record a record and start the cycle again, why not do the same 100 shows over the course of the same three years. Everything is much more civilized, and therefore you could be writing and recording simultaneously, never missing out on the home stuff, if we scheduled it properly,” Bon Jovi explains.

“So then you could go out every year and not wear out your touring markets, because every third year, that market would be ready for you again.”
It does seem that when Richie didn't show all them years ago, Jon just snapped his hand off. What I mean is if Richie did show he would probably still be in the band, but Jon seemingly was waiting for something to close the door.

He's mostly right in what he says, of course, but the way he dismisses the previous incarnation of the band (you know, the only one anyone really cares about) is pretty disrespectful. They just became different people and Richie just does not suit Jon's image anymore. It appears Jon was low key happy Richie made the first most, so to speak.

Has any band ever become as outwardly corporate as Bon Jovi? Jeez he even talks about it like it's simply a business thing. And yeah, I am not naive enough to think most mega successful bands are ultimately organizations, but at least most of them hide it.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:39 AM
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It does seem that when Richie didn't show all them years ago, Jon just snapped his hand off. What I mean is if Richie did show he would probably still be in the band, but Jon seemingly was waiting for something to close the door.

He's mostly right in what he says, of course, but the way he dismisses the previous incarnation of the band (you know, the only one anyone really cares about) is pretty disrespectful. They just became different people and Richie just does not suit Jon's image anymore. It appears Jon was low key happy Richie made the first most, so to speak.

Has any band ever become as outwardly corporate as Bon Jovi? Jeez he even talks about it like it's simply a business thing. And yeah, I am not naive enough to think most mega successful bands are ultimately organizations, but at least most of them hide it.
Yeah, almost all successful names have to adopt a corporate outlook [although no one throws around the terms "CEO" & " major corporation" as much] and I'm sure fans didn't mind it when the music was genuine. But the truth is : No one takes Bon Jovi's musical output seriously anymore. They might as well be a successful packaging goods manufacturing company.

Richie has been out for a while and in hindsight its been the absolute best scenario for him: extra family time+ him being his own boss for creative ventures. I didn't understand the break when it happened but now I think it was a timely decision by Richie. He failed terribly with his first step [with Orianthi/RSO] and I guess that'd reflect in his music in a good way[that's still being made, I guess].

Jon, on the other hand, has sunk so far down a hole that its mindboggling. His arrogance over his "success" is repulsive and to downplay Richie's part is probably the worst thing he could do. I mean, Richie's guitarwork is what separates Bon Jovi from your generic forgotten 80s bands. Let's not even get started on vocal melodies and comparison to inferior guitar players who lay motionless live [Edge]. RS can still sing in the right key, Jon! And in time. Even when he's drunk.
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“This isn’t a band that is dependent on the guitar player like Van Halen or U2 or something, it was about the songs and it was about me,” Jon Bon Jovi tells Pollstar..
Every good band is about songs in the end, and Jon is right about that. It is however incredibly otherworldly dishonest and rude to leave Richie out of the "songs" part - writing and delivery with guitar as much as Jon's voice.

It is not about being "the best" since Richie clearly is nowhere in that discussion. It is about being the right guitar player. Richie is it for the BJ. The only one. There would be no corporation for Jon to lord over without Richie. (Nor without Jon, of course)

I wish the guys would just stop talking about Richie leaving. They are never going to tell us what really went on, so it's not like we need to be waiting with baited breath. And if you, my dearest reader are, stop. We will never ever ever know. Not even in their memoirs will we get the real story.

So stop talking about it and spare us from this kind of nonsense. Just tell the reporters "sorry, I don't think there is any more to say about that", please Jon (and Richie).
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Old 12-14-2019, 01:27 PM
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... It appears Jon was low key happy Richie made the first most, so to speak...
"Like a moth dances with the light, sometimes a shadow burns too bright..."

There's no 'Jon and...' anymore. Jon doesn't have to share the spotlight, or the mic, or the banter. Nobody else is doing the interviews with him, or coming out on the catwalk and performing acoustic sets, or doing one-off acoustic shows with him. He's no longer just the primary songwriter in the band; he's the only songwriter in the band. Nobody's there to play Laurel to his Hardy, or to otherwise detract from the 'main event'. So, as much as it pissed me off when I first read it, I guess he's right. It really is all about him now.

"Looks like somebody got what he wanted." When Ilene first tweeted that I thought she referred to Shanks; and maybe she did. But I'm not altogether sure, now, that she wasn't referring to her former boss.
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Has any band ever become as outwardly corporate as Bon Jovi?
Yes, most of them. They're just better at hiding that from their (mostly) delusional fanbases.
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Every good band is about songs in the end, and Jon is right about that. It is however incredibly otherworldly dishonest and rude to leave Richie out of the "songs" part - writing and delivery with guitar as much as Jon's voice.
I agree. I'm all for Jon mentioning Richie's lifestyle choices as (part of) the reason, but his impact on the songwriting and performing aspects should never be understated. I am quite disappointed that he did so, based on that quote.
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Old 12-15-2019, 02:28 PM
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To be fair i believe if Jon was being so selfish tico and david wouldnt back him up like that..
having said that the fact that jon compares Richie to bobby/shanks/phil x shows lack of respect towards his contributions/impact and the whole bj legacy..
Jon has become the thing he feared most, the fat elvis...his passion is gone, his voice is shot... only if he realises this and leaves far away from his comfort zone maybe he ll deliver sth trully artistic
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To be fair i believe if Jon was being so selfish tico and david wouldnt back him up like that..
having said that the fact that jon compares Richie to bobby/shanks/phil x shows lack of respect towards his contributions/impact and the whole bj legacy..
Jon has become the thing he feared most, the fat elvis...his passion is gone, his voice is shot... only if he realises this and leaves far away from his comfort zone maybe he ll deliver sth trully artistic
To me it's sad what Jon has become. I really liked him but today I can't stand his character and what he says. He has lost the sense of reality concerning the way he sounds and that he wouldn't be in his position today without his bandmates.
I think 10 years ago he would have said something "I know I don't sound good anymore but I like performing and as long as the fans come I will do it". But no he is talking that the band is better than ever and his voice is getting better and better and he is the reason to 99,99% of the success.
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