Richie Sambora!!!

No, I think it comes from the fact it's a horrible album...

Indeed it is, awful. It is sometimes pushed as part of the reason Richie left, but he co-wrote five songs so I doubt it. Maybe the shame pushed him to leave.

Okay...So... Whats the point? TC came out in 2009 and they had a few tracks on the GH's album in 2010... They were due for new music in 2013 especially if you look back to everything they've released prior. This was probably their longest span between new music they've had to date since Crush. The GHs tour ended in July of 2011 and WAN came out in early 2013. How much time off did Richie want? Jon might have pulled the plug a few months earlier than expected but that's one of the reasons why he did a lot of the basic stuff on his own with Shanks... Don't forget that KTF followed that same path when Richie was doing Stranger so this isn't uncommon grounds for Jon to start a process by himself. And you can probably say the same for Crush.

During that period off between 2011 and 2013, Jon made references towards his own solo album in addition to writing for some soundtracks. The Sand Up Guys thing really didn't take off and I think he was denied by the record company and was forced to do a band album per his contract. He had to put out two band albums by 2015.

We need to find that Tico interview but it's my recollection that Jon didn't ask Tico to start early work for WAN. He asked him for a favor to help lay down some drum demo tracks for his solo stuff... I also believe it was a week or so after the tour ended... It had nothing to do with Richie or WAN... Now one might have morphed into the other but we really need to find and dissect that Tico interview. We need to understand the content, timelines, and what Jon really needed Tico for...

Finally, you can't say "if WAN never existed things would be very different now". I can say if Aftermath never happened, things would be very different now. Everything happens for a reason and they eventually needed to fulfill their record contract obligations.

People over exaggerate and make it seem like Jon called Richie in the middle of his tour and made him drop everything to the band tour. At the end of the day, solo projects are great for fans and artistic creativity but the money and the business is with the band and that's the priority.

WAN was done and out. The tour was 3 months in. Richie could have easily finished those remaining nine months, especially when you look at all the time off they had been shows and each leg... The other guys seemed to have been fine..

I'll end on this note: Notice in Dave's interview he said Richie was in rehab THREE times. We know about the times during LH and GHs but when was the third? Hummmm?

All I was saying was that Tico didn't want to go back to work yet either, it wasn't just Richie. From my memory this was to start demos for WAN, but I might be wrong...

In my opinion the album was unnecessary, and the quality of the output clearly supports that...

Actually if you look at the early WAN shows with Richie, Jon's the one that looks tired...so, as I keep saying, it's all just speculation anyways...

Ho Hum

Did you read what I wrote about that whole Tico thing?

It's my recollection that Jon didn't ask Tico to start early work for WAN. He asked him for a favor to help lay down some drum demo tracks for his solo stuff... I also believe it was a week or so after the tour ended... It had nothing to do with Richie or WAN...

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Yes, and I replied to that....did you read my reply!?

"From my memory this was to start demos for WAN, but I might be wrong..."

You have to find the interview...

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I don't have to do anything. I'm just telling you how I remember it, right or wrong.

I don't have the time to go searching the internet for an interview...

You find it, as you seem to be the one so hung up about it.

I'm not hug up on it... you're the one who brought it up, I just responded.

And how can you say you have no time when you're on here 24/7?

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Calm down Mr Sensitive and Mr New Jersey!

JBJ: "Whe we completed The Circle as a tour and an album, in August 2011
I told the guys we wouldn't work the rest of the year but I lied. By September I started to write again, I started the writing process in 2011 in September, by June in '12 It was completed. The whole record written, recorded and finished. So it's really a snapshot of that period in time and when you have a snapshot in a period of time, it's also been important to release it timely manner or the subject matter gets old, and so history gives you an opportunity to talk about it and if you want to be relevant to that moment we needed to be back to work. We write in batches of dozens, you know 12, 36 and we usually write 36, 48. And I called Tico in the first dozen, maybe October November
I said, No?. You tell me No?, Why?! Holy Shit! And I don't have another drummer. I said: You're right, I said we're not going to work so you're right! I lied, yeah; I lied. And I got another drummer."