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Old 02-17-2023, 09:14 AM
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its true, richies comment suggested that jon should rest and that its sth solvable...otherwise it would be pointless to talk about coming back and touring... i guess when they talk they can be open about those things between them..
I m anxious about sth official, some good news, its been quite a long time
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Not a chance in hell Jon would do a co-headline tour, its nostalgic everything he is against ! They don't need to anyway, still a huge draw on the live stage regardless of his vocals. No way an equal billing with another band it just wont happen !
Phil Collen said that Def Leppard were supposed to go on a joint US headline run a good few years ago, but it was at that point that Richie had just left and Jon didn't really know what was going to happen after the What About Now tour, so it never happened. That proves that Jon is at least open to the idea, and I think he's more comfortable with the nostalgia thing now that he realises that their days of having hits are done.
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Well, Robbie Williams does the storytelling part on his current 25-tour.

Partly it seems like a revue with all his storytelling and showing videos from the past. And it's working with his audience. He sold out the Lanxess Arena in Cologne, Germany for 3 nights with 16.000 people each night and does the same in other big venues across Europe as well. And he does this although he still can sing

So it can work without killing the mood of the audience. But by saying that I don't think it will save Jon, since he lately even seemed to struggle while talking...
I was going to say exactly the same thing. I went to see Robbie in October and although he wasn't as energetic as usual, it was still a quality show.

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I was going to say exactly the same thing. I went to see Robbie in October and although he wasn't as energetic as usual, it was still a quality show.
Personally, I'd have zero interest in a show where the singer talked before every song. One of the reasons I really don't enjoy Shinedown live is how much the guy talks in between songs. Puts me to sleep.
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Has Jon or at least Tico or David said anything about Richie coming back? Or anyone at all in the actual Bon Jovi camp? It feels like a very one-sided dialogue going on and Richie is a little more than just a little bit deluded.

If it happens, finally, maybe, Shanks is kicked out of the live shows and Phil X can take on some rhythm guitar duty. Would be excellent but I highly doubt it...
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Has Jon or at least Tico or David said anything about Richie coming back? Or anyone at all in the actual Bon Jovi camp? It feels like a very one-sided dialogue going on and Richie is a little more than just a little bit deluded.
Richie said that he and Jon have had discussions about it, but who knows...

Someone said last year that they saw Tico and a golf tournament in England he he said that Richie was coming back, but who knows how reliable that is?

The Bon Jovi camp are almost certainly going to be very tight lipped about it until an announcement, if something is happening at all.

Conclusion : I've given up. Let's just wait and see...
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Personally, I'd have zero interest in a show where the singer talked before every song. One of the reasons I really don't enjoy Shinedown live is how much the guy talks in between songs. Puts me to sleep.
It wasn't every song, far from it. But he was talking a lot more between songs than he used to do.

To be fair, I seen Shinedown in December too and didn't think he spoke a great deal at all. He spoke but no more than most frontmen I've seen....

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This is coming against the backdrop of a bunch of things I've read in various discussions here and in random social media posts. And it's me, so you know it's gonna be long; but try to bear with me.

The background:
When ppl were first speculating that it was Richie on Masked Singer, ideas about what it might mean started coming out of the woodwork:
  • Some were saying maybe it was to promote his new album, FINALLY.
  • Somebody, somewhere, suggested maybe it was a Jovi thing & Jon was involved, too; possibly leading to a 40th anniversary tour with Richie. (Nobody gave too much credit to that idea; but now I'm not so sure that whoever said it was too far off the mark.)
  • Somebody else questioned the album promotion from Richie's perspective saying, "Why would he try to release his album now, knowing that it's likeliy to be overshadowed by the possibility of a MAJOR Jovi tour in the not too distant future?"
  • OTOH, other Richie fans were saying, "Why would Richie even want to do a BJ tour, right when he seems to be starting promotion for his own solo stuff?"
  • Ever since Richie made the comments about Jon's voice there's also been an idea floating that maybe it's a way to get the msg about Jon's voice out there w/o Jovi mgt having to defend why the band was going out again, at all, when Jon's voice clearly isn't up to 2hr sets; and that maybe they're planning to market the shows with Richie singing more than one song per show. Maybe even promoting his new album, which some ppl dismiss because that was allegedly supposed to happen with AOTL, but never did.
  • A lot of ppl think that idea wouldn't work anyway bc "nobody wants to see a BJ show if the lead singer isn't singing lead on nearly all the BJ songs" just bc his voice isn't up to it, or because he might, in Richie's words, need "a breather".

BUT... here's my thought from today, trying to pull all these threads together: What IF JxR have been "in talks", hammering out details and have come to an agreement (hopefully in writing, this time) that
  • the # of shows in each of the legs would be limited (to protect Jon's voice; and to give the rest of the band a break, since they're all getting some age on them now),
  • annnd that Richie would have some time in each show to do solo stuff and promote his album, which would also give Jon's voice a break.


That could be a WIN-WIN for Jon and Richie and the fans.
  • It could still be marketed as a regular Bon Jovi show, with no need to include a 2nd headliner or indicate that Richie's going to be singing more songs than in previous shows.
  • Somewhere around midpoint (or when Jon needed a break), he could "casually" announce, like he did with SITT, that Richie's been working on a solo project, bla, bla, bla, turn the mic over to Richie, and take a break for a couple songs.
  • Then later, if he needed a 2nd break, they could use the old formula of RS singing one of the BJ songs in each show. Or let David sing one.
With this format:
  • Jon would get the rest break(s) he needs.
  • Richie would get to promote his solo work, and maybe still sing lead on one BJ song per show.
  • Fans who are interested would get to hear some of Richie's stuff live, w/a competent backup band (that actually may have rehearsed more than once).
  • Fans who don't care for Richie, or don't want to hear anyone but Jon sing lead, could take an extended bathroom/beer break if they so choose.
  • Casuals would still hear Jon singing lead on nearly all the BJ songs, supported vocally by Richie and David, and maybe even find something new that they like in Richie's music, which they might never have heard otherwise.

Not knowing any more than I do about what makes concerts successful and what most fans expect, this sounds like a sweet deal to me, personally. But then Pollyanna has always lived pretty close to the surface of my brain.

Thoughts?
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This is coming against the backdrop of a bunch of things I've read in various discussions here and in random social media posts. And it's me, so you know it's gonna be long; but try to bear with me.

The background:
When ppl were first speculating that it was Richie on Masked Singer, ideas about what it might mean started coming out of the woodwork:
  • Some were saying maybe it was to promote his new album, FINALLY.
  • Somebody, somewhere, suggested maybe it was a Jovi thing & Jon was involved, too; possibly leading to a 40th anniversary tour with Richie. (Nobody gave too much credit to that idea; but now I'm not so sure that whoever said it was too far off the mark.)
  • Somebody else questioned the album promotion from Richie's perspective saying, "Why would he try to release his album now, knowing that it's likeliy to be overshadowed by the possibility of a MAJOR Jovi tour in the not too distant future?"
  • OTOH, other Richie fans were saying, "Why would Richie even want to do a BJ tour, right when he seems to be starting promotion for his own solo stuff?"
  • Ever since Richie made the comments about Jon's voice there's also been an idea floating that maybe it's a way to get the msg about Jon's voice out there w/o Jovi mgt having to defend why the band was going out again, at all, when Jon's voice clearly isn't up to 2hr sets; and that maybe they're planning to market the shows with Richie singing more than one song per show. Maybe even promoting his new album, which some ppl dismiss because that was allegedly supposed to happen with AOTL, but never did.
  • A lot of ppl think that idea wouldn't work anyway bc "nobody wants to see a BJ show if the lead singer isn't singing lead on nearly all the BJ songs" just bc his voice isn't up to it, or because he might, in Richie's words, need "a breather".

BUT... here's my thought from today, trying to pull all these threads together: What IF JxR have been "in talks", hammering out details and have come to an agreement (hopefully in writing, this time) that
  • the # of shows in each of the legs would be limited (to protect Jon's voice; and to give the rest of the band a break, since they're all getting some age on them now),
  • annnd that Richie would have some time in each show to do solo stuff and promote his album, which would also give Jon's voice a break.


That could be a WIN-WIN for Jon and Richie and the fans.
  • It could still be marketed as a regular Bon Jovi show, with no need to include a 2nd headliner or indicate that Richie's going to be singing more songs than in previous shows.
  • Somewhere around midpoint (or when Jon needed a break), he could "casually" announce, like he did with SITT, that Richie's been working on a solo project, bla, bla, bla, turn the mic over to Richie, and take a break for a couple songs.
  • Then later, if he needed a 2nd break, they could use the old formula of RS singing one of the BJ songs in each show. Or let David sing one.
With this format:
  • Jon would get the rest break(s) he needs.
  • Richie would get to promote his solo work, and maybe still sing lead on one BJ song per show.
  • Fans who are interested would get to hear some of Richie's stuff live, w/a competent backup band (that actually may have rehearsed more than once).
  • Fans who don't care for Richie, or don't want to hear anyone but Jon sing lead, could take an extended bathroom/beer break if they so choose.
  • Casuals would still hear Jon singing lead on nearly all the BJ songs, supported vocally by Richie and David, and maybe even find something new that they like in Richie's music, which they might never have heard otherwise.

Not knowing any more than I do about what makes concerts successful and what most fans expect, this sounds like a sweet deal to me, personally. But then Pollyanna has always lived pretty close to the surface of my brain.

Thoughts?
I would buy this.
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Def Leppard I can see BJ doing the double headline thing with - they were not just "some 80s band"; and the bands were friends.

I can see Richie singing a song per night and David taking a verse on In These Arms (if they play it...) or something like that.
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