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Old 06-28-2023, 09:26 PM
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At this point it's clear he wants the most amount of people possible to hear it and he's waiting on a team in place to get him distribution and PR etc. That's painfully clear. I don't doubt for a second he's recorded over 50 songs earmarked for this thing. But his biggest claim to fame is his attachment to the band and the band is so irrelevant. I think people are dead on that he could concentrate on the UK and Japan and do well for himself.

But the theory that he does really well touring over there but also no independent label or management team will touch him strikes me as odd. He does decent enough numbers overseas, you'd think someone over there would be willing.

You don't need a team in place to know the three biggest moments to capitalize on with a new song would be the 2013 exit (this one I absolutely get why it would have been distasteful), the 2018 Hall of Fame and Masked Singers. At the last two points he mentioned he had a new album either ready or almost ready. Not being tied to anything means he's fully legally allowed to put a song out without ruffling the feathers of a label.

I get that he's older, doesn't want to tour as much, doesn't want the big machine experience but it also feels like he's holding out for a version of that so I don't know! I really dig the songs from Norm's video, some of them are a return to form for the guy.
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my take is jon wants Richie back for a 40 y aniversary tour but not as a permanent member with writing credits etc, he has partially forgave the guy but doesnt want to move on like nth happened...
there were some talks but Richie revealed early more than he should and probably jon put some ice on him...
Richie doesnt know what the future holds, would like to join the band and also release a solo album, but holds the record on pause in order to release it in a Bj year...2024 i hope...
of course these are all speculations, but following these guys for so long and the whole drama i think its close to the truth..
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my take is jon wants Richie back for a 40 y aniversary tour but not as a permanent member with writing credits etc, he has partially forgave the guy but doesnt want to move on like nth happened...
there were some talks but Richie revealed early more than he should and probably jon put some ice on him...
Richie doesnt know what the future holds, would like to join the band and also release a solo album, but holds the record on pause in order to release it in a Bj year...2024 i hope...
of course these are all speculations, but following these guys for so long and the whole drama i think its close to the truth..
I don't know I agree. Only because the band feels like it's on life support. They're touring maaaaybe 10-30 shows per YEAR at this point and can no longer hide behind poor album sales. I truly don't think Jon wants Richie back, he'd be back if that was the case. I think Jon knows there is only maybe two years left of the band, so to not end it with Richie is ludicrous.

I don't know what these talks have amounted to but I'd love to know for sure. Whether it's label troubles or the band that's holding Richie back from moving forward, who knows.
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I don't know what these talks have amounted to but I'd love to know for sure. Whether it's label troubles or the band that's holding Richie back from moving forward, who knows.
Talking about label troubles. A couple of days ago I listened to Burning Bridges for the first time in quite a while. I thought about what the album was supposed to do - fulfill the contract after Jon fell out with the record company.
During the interview for 60 Minutes in 2008 Richie told the interviewer, that Jon still was the only one with a record deal and that it's the most unique situation in music business.
But even if that's the case I think the record company wasn't too happy about Richie's departure and the state of the band afterwards. So maybe that was the reason for Jon's label trouble in 2015. The label wanted him to get his sh*t together = get Richie back and Jon refused.
This doesn't say anything about the situation right now, but I just wanted to tell you my thoughts
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Talking about label troubles. A couple of days ago I listened to Burning Bridges for the first time in quite a while. I thought about what the album was supposed to do - fulfill the contract after Jon fell out with the record company.
During the interview for 60 Minutes in 2008 Richie told the interviewer, that Jon still was the only one with a record deal and that it's the most unique situation in music business.
But even if that's the case I think the record company wasn't too happy about Richie's departure and the state of the band afterwards. So maybe that was the reason for Jon's label trouble in 2015. The label wanted him to get his sh*t together = get Richie back and Jon refused.
This doesn't say anything about the situation right now, but I just wanted to tell you my thoughts
Interesting! By 2013, the label had to have known what their album sales were like. It's not like with Richie they were still having hits and selling truckloads of albums, they just told people they were. I think the decline in ticket sales had more to do with oversaturation than Richie leaving but I'm sure that hurt it. If the label was involved in tickets then yeah, maybe!
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1991 Sambora released a solo album but was forced back to Jovi as they were writing/recording/releasing "Keep The Faith" next year.

2012 Sambora released a solo album but was forced back to Jovi as they were writing/recording/releasing "What About Now" next year

2023 Sambora is about to release a solo album but is forced/wanted back to Jovi as they are writing/recording/releasing a new album next year?

See a pattern?!
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2023 Sambora is about to release a solo album but is forced/wanted back to Jovi as they are writing/recording/releasing a new album next year?

See a pattern?!
No - because this time Richie has had plenty of time to release this album. It's not the Jovi camps fault that he's didn't put it out 12+ months ago...
Also, you can't force someone who has left the band back into a band of they don't want to....
And the reunion is probably not happeneing anyways..so...
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Interesting! By 2013, the label had to have known what their album sales were like. It's not like with Richie they were still having hits and selling truckloads of albums, they just told people they were. I think the decline in ticket sales had more to do with oversaturation than Richie leaving but I'm sure that hurt it. If the label was involved in tickets then yeah, maybe!
The label had the deal in place at the time to sell copies of the album with the tickets didn't they? I'm sure that they sold more copies through that than any other way at the time. So if they felt that Richie's depature may have a negative effect on ticket sales, and therefore CD sales, they may have had something to say about it. But I think it's a long shot.
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1991 Sambora released a solo album but was forced back to Jovi as they were writing/recording/releasing "Keep The Faith" next year.

2012 Sambora released a solo album but was forced back to Jovi as they were writing/recording/releasing "What About Now" next year

2023 Sambora is about to release a solo album but is forced/wanted back to Jovi as they are writing/recording/releasing a new album next year?

See a pattern?!
Richie has had 10 years to release an album since he left the band. If he was to release one now and then be invited to come back next year thats his fault for waiting for a decade.

Werent we told April for a solo album? That was 4 months ago now.

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1991 Sambora released a solo album but was forced back to Jovi as they were writing/recording/releasing "Keep The Faith" next year.

2012 Sambora released a solo album but was forced back to Jovi as they were writing/recording/releasing "What About Now" next year

2023 Sambora is about to release a solo album but is forced/wanted back to Jovi as they are writing/recording/releasing a new album next year?

See a pattern?!
The Bon Jovi New Album is done. Unless JBJ and Richie surprise us, Richie isn't on the New Album. And isn't touring in 2024, again they may surprise us.
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