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Old 10-03-2023, 01:56 AM
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"Everything he co-wrote for Alice Cooper and Cher" would be one song each?
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Old 10-03-2023, 01:59 AM
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No kidding. I feel like the big bucks went towards this for Wanted, Prayer, Life. Ain't no one licensing "Weathering The Storm" for beer commercials.
But tbh my knowledge onthese things is very poor!! If anyone wanted to use prayer or bad name, wouldn't Jon and Desmond need to sign off on it also to be used or would Richie's licensing be enough?? Jon and Desmond are not likely to sell anytime soon!! Or maybe that purchase was made more in the interest of continued revenue from streams??
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Old 10-03-2023, 12:18 PM
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But tbh my knowledge onthese things is very poor!! If anyone wanted to use prayer or bad name, wouldn't Jon and Desmond need to sign off on it also to be used or would Richie's licensing be enough?? Jon and Desmond are not likely to sell anytime soon!! Or maybe that purchase was made more in the interest of continued revenue from streams??
But is continued revenue on streams enough to invest north of $100 million? I mean, that's a long game isn't it, with Richie only getting a percentage of the revenue, which wouldn't be much from streaming. And we know of instances where people contact Jon directly to use a song and he has been yes or no. How does that work with Richie and Child also being songwriters?
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Old 10-03-2023, 01:20 PM
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But is continued revenue on streams enough to invest north of $100 million? I mean, that's a long game isn't it, with Richie only getting a percentage of the revenue, which wouldn't be much from streaming.
Yes, these companies are playing the long game. Richie doesn't care about the long game, he's getting older, he has enough from this to make sure Ava is well off. He doesn't need to worry much about working and can still live his lifestyle comfortably. It's a no brainer for him.

The company will make money any time that the song is streamed yes, but also anytime that the songs are played at a sports event, in a bar, by a cover band, played on the radio and yes if it was used in a commercial etc, etc, so there is more to it then just streaming. With the big hits is Richie's catalogue they wuill make their money back, and them some, but it will take a good few years I would imagine.

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And we know of instances where people contact Jon directly to use a song and he has been yes or no. How does that work with Richie and Child also being songwriters?
All 3 songwriters would need to sign off on it. But that's not Richie's concern now, it's whoever he sold it to.
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Old 10-03-2023, 01:36 PM
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Thanks for that. It was a decent perfomance, Richie's voice sounded a little hoarse at times, but still in decent shape considering. Guitar playing was good for the most part, a little sloppy in places like we've come to expect. That liitle blues bit in the intro to Prayer was the Richie I miss. Not sure what the drummer was doing coming in when he did though!? Again, a little more rehearsal would have been useful, but I guess we just have to accept by now that Richie wants to be that loose, jam guy, even though he isn't particuarly good at it. But on the whole good to see him performing again and still alive and kicking
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Old 10-03-2023, 06:27 PM
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Who owns Bon Jovi's songs? We know the songwriters, but is there a company that owns the songs? Songwriters do not always own their songs. Did the band set up a company that handles publishing, and if so who is the majority owner of that or is it all equal share?
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Old 10-03-2023, 07:19 PM
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Who owns Bon Jovi's songs? We know the songwriters, but is there a company that owns the songs? Songwriters do not always own their songs. Did the band set up a company that handles publishing, and if so who is the majority owner of that or is it all equal share?
Publishing companies just take care of royalties payments (and take a cut - which is why many song writers set up their own publishing company). The songwriters still retain ownership, unless they sell them like Richie has.

Each songwriter will own a percentage ownership for each song. The percentage amounts is decided between the song writers and is not usually public knowledge.

Recordings are a different matter. The early band recordings will be owned by Universal, unless Bon Jovi purchased their masters from them at some point, but I don't believe this to be the case. Since This House, the band (or more likely in this case, Jon) own the recordings but have been licencing them out to Universal for a period of time. When that licencing period expired then the band are free to licence it elsewhere or themselves, or renew the licence with Universal. They retain ownership the whole time.
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Old 10-03-2023, 07:34 PM
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Publishing companies just take care of royalties payments (and take a cut - which is why many song writers set up their own publishing company). The songwriters still retain ownership, unless they sell them like Richie has.

Each songwriter will own a percentage ownership for each song. The percentage amounts is decided between the song writers and is not usually public knowledge.

Recordings are a different matter. The early band recordings will be owned by Universal, unless Bon Jovi purchased their masters from them at some point, but I don't believe this to be the case. Since This House, the band (or more likely in this case, Jon) own the recordings but have been licencing them out to Universal for a period of time. When that licencing period expired then the band are free to licence it elsewhere or themselves, or renew the licence with Universal. They retain ownership the whole time.
So, it is possible that Jon takes a lower percentage than Bill Falcon for a song they co-wrote, or both Richie and Jon take less than Desmond Child for something like Bad Name? Another thing I have always wondered is who writes the music in Bon Jovi songs. Richie is the likely candidate I guess but it would be good to know for sure.
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Old 10-03-2023, 10:21 PM
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So, it is possible that Jon takes a lower percentage than Bill Falcon for a song they co-wrote, or both Richie and Jon take less than Desmond Child for something like Bad Name?
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Another thing I have always wondered is who writes the music in Bon Jovi songs. Richie is the likely candidate I guess but it would be good to know for sure.
I think Jon, Richie and Desmond all write music and lyrics. I would expect that is varies from song to song who does what.
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Old 10-04-2023, 05:31 AM
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I think Jon, Richie and Desmond all write music and lyrics. I would expect that is varies from song to song who does what.
Yup. Some songs you can tell are Jons, some feel like Richie's vibe. Richie has made the point he knows how to write for Jon's voice so that makes it even tougher to know.

But Jon's chord progressions can be a bit same-y, it's much easier to tell when its him.
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