Richie Sambora

It's my faith · #**951** 10-06-2023, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jon-flp

Man...that was embarrassing. It hurts me to say, but both performance would be better without Richie there. He left everyone lost in the songs. Sad.

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So bad... And musically out of shape. He missed the iconic intro of Wanted and messed up the solo. Anyone in the crowd cheering for "yeeeah Bon Jovi's guitarist will play for us" should now be very dissapointed.

superkid · #**952** 10-06-2023, 09:36 PM

That video was tough to watch. As much as I would love to see a final tour with him back in the band, it's clear what a freaking trainwreck that would be. Jon butchering the vocals while Richie butchers the iconic solos. At least his voice still sounds good, but yikes.

Supersonic · #**953** 10-07-2023, 07:53 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Thinny

Thanks for that. It was a decent perfomance, Richie's voice sounded a little hoarse at times, but still in decent shape considering. Guitar playing was good for the most part, a little sloppy in places like we've come to expect. That liitle blues bit in the intro to Prayer was the Richie I miss. Not sure what the drummer was doing coming in when he did though!? Again, a little more rehearsal would have been useful, but I guess we just have to accept by now that Richie wants to be that loose, jam guy, even though he isn't particuarly good at it. But on the whole good to see him performing again and still alive and kicking

I've no idea where you're coming from with your "it was a decent performance". This was musician lost in his own song. He's lost as to how to start, tries to alter vocal melodies but has no idea how to do it because his voice is failing him and then does not work together with the band when he kicks off his guitar solo.

If this was a bar band or some high school band it'd make sense, but it isn't. This is a trainwreck from start to finish because Richie wants to take lead in a band that's unable to follow his sloppy directions. The odd thing is how he once did know how to do it but seems to have lost all feeling with what's going on around him.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

nikos greece · #**954** 10-07-2023, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

I've no idea where you're coming from with your "it was a decent performance". This was musician lost in his own song. He's lost as to how to start, tries to alter vocal melodies but has no idea how to do it because his voice is failing him and then does not work together with the band when he kicks off his guitar solo.

If this was a bar band or some high school band it'd make sense, but it isn't. This is a trainwreck from start to finish because Richie wants to take lead in a band that's unable to follow his sloppy directions. The odd thing is how he once did know how to do it but seems to have lost all feeling with what's going on around him.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

i think you are being to hard to the guy...yes Richie is akward as a frontman but in this case there were a couple of mistakes by the drummer as well which threw the whole thing off..

Thinny · #**955** 10-07-2023, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

If this was a bar band or some high school band it'd make sense, but it isn't.

It also isn't a young guy at his peak. People watching this and expecting Richie from 20 years ago are on another planet. I'm watching it from the perspecitive of it being a guy in his 60s that has had his issues. I'm not expecting the glory days like a lot of people. I'm being realistic and comparing it to the Richie of the last 10 years. It wasn't as bad as some are making out, we've seen much worse (and much better) over the last 10 years from Richie, it's just not what they want to see. Same thing with Jon. We all know he can't sing anymore. No point banging on about the same thing after every performance. I guess I just look for the positives from something rather than the negatives where possible.

Rdkopper · #**956** 10-07-2023, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny

It also isn't a young guy at his peak. People watching this and expecting Richie from 20 years ago are on another planet. I'm watching it from the perspecitive of it being a guy in his 60s that has had his issues. I'm not expecting the glory days like a lot of people. I'm being realistic and comparing it to the Richie of the last 10 years. It wasn't as bad as some are making out, we've seen much worse (and much better) over the last 10 years from Richie, it's just not what they want to see. Same thing with Jon. We all know he can't sing anymore. No point banging on about the same thing after every performance. I guess I just look for the positives from something rather than the negatives where possible.

I think people need to stop using age as an excuse. Sure, things start to demish but there is a right way and wrong way to go about performing. Tico is 70 and still a bad ass musician. I just saw the Eagles play and wished Bon Jovi sounded as good as them.

If Jon was a serious musician, he'd do more musician type stuff during his downtime besides obsessing over tennis and Hampton Waters.

I don't know what Richies deal is but he's just lost it. For a seasoned musician, that was atrocious. He's not in a 16 year old bar band.

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Supersonic · #**957** 10-07-2023, 08:30 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Thinny

It also isn't a young guy at his peak. People watching this and expecting Richie from 20 years ago are on another planet. I'm watching it from the perspecitive of it being a guy in his 60s that has had his issues. I'm not expecting the glory days like a lot of people. I'm being realistic and comparing it to the Richie of the last 10 years. It wasn't as bad as some are making out, we've seen much worse (and much better) over the last 10 years from Richie, it's just not what they want to see. Same thing with Jon. We all know he can't sing anymore. No point banging on about the same thing after every performance. I guess I just look for the positives from something rather than the negatives where possible.

Your "expecting Richie from 20 years ago" holds as much ground as those who come up with the "you can't expect them to make another Slippery" argument.

A lot of guitar players (Joe Perry, Eric Clapton, David Gilmour...) have had their issues. Most of them far worse than Richie but they've all been able to regain their composure on stage. I really can't think of any guitarist who's declined as much as Richie has. The difference is that those other guitar players all really, really enjoyed being a guitarist. Richie burned out on that long before he left Bon Jovi and then realized he really sucks at everything else.

I've no idea how this performance can be rated as "not bad". Just because other performances were worse doesn't suddenly turn this into an okay piece of music. It's like saying "Well, I enjoyed that meal because last time I got food poisoning, had a 100 degree fever, and spend a week on sick leave. This time all I did was spend an evening on the toilet. Yes, I'd pay good money to eat there again".

People looking for positives in this performance are the same as those pointing out three seconds of Jon singing in key and saying "Look, he's still got it!" No, just no. It's shit.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

bonjovi90 · #**958** 10-07-2023, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

I've no idea how this performance can be rated as "not bad". Just because other performances were worse doesn't suddenly turn this into an okay piece of music. It's like saying "Well, I enjoyed that meal because last time I got food poisoning, had a 100 degree fever, and spend a week on sick leave. This time all I did was spend an evening on the toilet. Yes, I'd pay good money to eat there again".

People looking for positives in this performance are the same as those pointing out three seconds of Jon singing in key and saying "Look, he's still got it!" No, just no. It's shit.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Those have been the mechanisms here on any Jovi related stuff in the last decade

rolo_tomachi · #**959** 10-08-2023, 09:55 AM

Since Jon ****ed up his voice, I've been saying it continually, watching them live is like watching a sick horse about to be euthanized. Studio albums are the only decent thing they can do with their current qualities. The songs won't be as brilliant, they will still be lazy here and there, but there is an elaboration and a minimum of quality that is maintained.

The bad thing is that records are no longer sold like in previous decades. If this were the case, Jon and Richie could make some albums without needing touring to make money.

Honestly, that's the only thing I expect from the two of them. Studio music, either from the vaults or new songs.

Thinny · #**960** 10-08-2023, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic

Aloha !

Your "expecting Richie from 20 years ago" holds as much ground as those who come up with the "you can't expect them to make another Slippery" argument.

A lot of guitar players (Joe Perry, Eric Clapton, David Gilmour...) have had their issues. Most of them far worse than Richie but they've all been able to regain their composure on stage. I really can't think of any guitarist who's declined as much as Richie has. The difference is that those other guitar players all really, really enjoyed being a guitarist. Richie burned out on that long before he left Bon Jovi and then realized he really sucks at everything else.

I've no idea how this performance can be rated as "not bad". Just because other performances were worse doesn't suddenly turn this into an okay piece of music. It's like saying "Well, I enjoyed that meal because last time I got food poisoning, had a 100 degree fever, and spend a week on sick leave. This time all I did was spend an evening on the toilet. Yes, I'd pay good money to eat there again".

People looking for positives in this performance are the same as those pointing out three seconds of Jon singing in key and saying "Look, he's still got it!" No, just no. It's shit.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

In that case you might as well just give up, stop coming here and stop paying attention to anything that Jon or Richie do, otherwise it's going to be a very sad experience as a Bon Jovi fan.

Basically, you are saying it's ok to critisize them, but it's not ok to see the positives, which is pretty pathetic. If one is ok, then so should the other be.

You can either accept what we have from Jon at Richie nowadays, or just bitch and moan about what he have. Comparing them to other bands (or restuarants!?) is pointless, we know it's a sad state of existance in Bon Jovi land. What's the point in crying about it everytime Jon or Richie do anything? We all know the score here...there is nothing to be gained from comapring them to how they used to be. It's never going to be anything close to that again, that ship has sailed for them both...

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