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Old 11-05-2023, 07:43 PM
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Richie saying he is, and him actually being involved are not the same thing. I'd take everything that comes out of Richie with a mountain of salt.
Why would he say he was involved is he wasn't? He obviously would have needed to sign off on the new calendar that has his pictures all over it, so I've no reason to think he wouldn't be involved in the documentary. It would pretty stupid to do a 40th anniversary documentary without Richie and Jon knows this.

Didn't Doc McGhee say ages ago that he shot some stuff for the documentary? There are not gonna talk to Doc and not Richie, let's be honest...
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Old 11-05-2023, 09:53 PM
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Yah on one level or another he has to be involved. Not even from an interview standpoint, from a legal one. He'd have to sign off on his likeness, right? Them moving forward without is one thing but a good look at the last 40, 30 of which involve him HEAVILY? Of course he was gonna be involved (or we hoped so at least). I'm just glad to see it worked out.
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Old 11-05-2023, 10:20 PM
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Let's wait and see what his involvement is. Richie has a long history of saying things that don't come to pass.
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Yah on one level or another he has to be involved. Not even from an interview standpoint, from a legal one. He'd have to sign off on his likeness, right?
I'm not sure about that. Considering the songs, he has sold all his rights a couple of years ago. So he has nothing to say about the usage of any songs.
And talking about the usage of photographs that have been taken in a Bon Jovi context I guess it all depends on the contracts they had. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a clause saying that those pictures taken can be used for future projects without the need of asking for permission.
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Old 11-07-2023, 12:13 PM
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I'm not sure about that. Considering the songs, he has sold all his rights a couple of years ago. So he has nothing to say about the usage of any songs.
And talking about the usage of photographs that have been taken in a Bon Jovi context I guess it all depends on the contracts they had. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a clause saying that those pictures taken can be used for future projects without the need of asking for permission.
You're right about the music, but I doubt very much that Richie would have signed a contract that gives away use of his likeness in products that will make the band money. No decent lawer would let that happen. When he was in the band, maybe he would let it slide, but after he left there would have been a lot of legal things like that that would have needed to be addressed.
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I don't think the photos one is too much of an issue, personally. He's featured in music videos since he left.

They probably need permission from the photographer and that's about it.

Who knows, though.

Either way, Richie seems to have no idea about the documentary, no matter what that article says. He looked confused when he got asked. The reunion stuff, in my opinion, is just to keep headlines going. The band are recording a new album and he's not involved.

At this rate, at a push, he'll be there for the last ever show and that's about it.

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Regarding images, it is possible that Richie has no say in the use but it depends on many factors. A company I worked for years ago still has a photo of me on their website. The photo is the company's content and I have no say over how they use it. The photographer owns the copyright and it will depend on how much of an employee Richie was or whether he was able to negotiate things such as his likeness. Does Richie use any Bon Jovi images of himself anywhere, such as social media or promotion?

I doubt Richie is exploring the misappropriation of likeness claims every time Bon Jovi uses an image of him. Not least because winning those cases is very hard. The more we learn the more it seems that the rest of the band have a rather clear boss/employee deal with Jon.

Either way, signing off on using an image of you is not what I would consider being involved in the documentary. Unless Richie is doing interviews or something within the doc, he is not involved. If we ever get a documentary.
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Richie mentioned mostly the same..of course we should take Richies words with a pinch of salt BUT behind all these there must be some truth...
First of all Rich looked and talked nicely..Secondly there is a pattern...There must have been some talks and Richie probably pushes jon as well...the fact that the band records in Nashville and Richie is not involved speaks volumes . On the other hand a world tour with Richie would make sense, it would sell better and would test the whole relationship between them..especially jon and Richie.
Anyway i think jons voice is the main factor...if jon wasnt even considering a reunion would have closed that door and Richie would address the matter differently...
My take is that if the voice could somehow deliver they would try make a comeback with a big tour promo, without it they will play it low.
ps. also the phrasing and words used by richie were interesting and different this time around ( i know i have too much time..)
no mentioning about the voice problems, nothing particular about the doc. i think after all these years Richie knows what jon wants and not to be said

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Old 11-07-2023, 03:33 PM
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Going by how we've known the band over the years - I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was "all talk, no action" in the sense that we won't get to see a documentary, some big anniversary celebration and all that.
It's always two different pair of shoes in terms of what's been said and what ended up happening. They wanted to do a big biography for the 25th anniversary. Jon said about it: "the writers wanted to tell all and we wanted to tell nothing". So it got scrapped and we got the WWWB book.
They had promised the record company a Greatest Hits for 2009 (25th anniversary) after Lost Highway and pushed that back for a regular album with The Circle. If it was for Jon, I don't think the second GH would've ever come to fruition, I'm sure it was a compromise for the record company allowing and promoting The Circle beforehand.
I don't doubt that some works have been in progress for a documentary or a Box Set. But did Jon ever officially confirm that the latter will be done and released? He also mentioned some demo songs (like the Peter Pan movie one) in the JBJ Experience to be released and it never came...

As far as Jon's desire goes, I pretty much assume that it'll be an album release with very few shows at BEST. Richie's "slipped sentence" earlier this year about the reunion happening "if Jon can sort out his voice issues" is the one that stuck to me. No matter if with Richie or without, by now it'll all depend on Jon feeling able to put it out there. And as of now, I don't think he has the confidence to go for it anymore.

If there's a Box Set release, I feel it'll be more of a step-child-treatment like BB or the NJ Deluxe Edition, i.e. the record company or BJ management might push it a little, but not Jon. Anyone with a working set of ears (I know there's a lot of BJ fans that don't fall in that category) would be shocked to hear the difference when you get a new album and a set of songs from 20+ years ago in a close time range. It'd be embarassing to say the least.
Imagine getting to listen to something like Who Would You Die For and then putting the new album to get vocals like American Reckoning.
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Old 11-07-2023, 05:12 PM
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I get what you're saying but I don't think there's going to be any fanfare from the non hardcores about the box set. The idea that you can tell the dip in quality between eras has always been there just from radio existing.

The amount of people that will make it past tracks 4 or 5 on the new album and even start listening to the box set I think are already aware of Jon's voice issues. The rest only know the hits and will most likely ignore both releases.

The band camp has been silent for far too long, I really do think all 3 will come out next year. They need all the promo they can get to push the tour if Richie aint' coming back and 40 years of memories is the only real way to do it
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