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Old 02-07-2005, 11:41 PM
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- Jon thinks he's a better singer nowadays, just like Bono and Steven Tyler he controls his voice much better.
The bullshit of the year!
It seems to me that Jon thinks his fans are stupid...
Right, I'm going to do a Derek Bliss now, cos I object to this remark. Did any of you ever stop to think about the following:

1) That he genuinely does believe that his voice is better nowadays? I know that there are people that believe this (I'm hoping Becky will back me up here, cos I seem to remember her saying something to that effect before), so why shouldn't Jon?

And more importantly, 2) perhaps its just wishful thinking? Imagine yourself in Jon's shoes yeah, a guy who's made his living out of being a fantastic singer begins to lose his voice... it can't exactly be easy for him. Perhaps he wants to believe that his voice is better nowadays. Cut the guy some slack. He is human. The vast majority of singers lose the power in their voice with age. Why do you think Jon should be an exception?
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Thanks and I agree with Richie on the Sat Night demo, much better than what we were given.
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1) That he genuinely does believe that his voice is better nowadays? I know that there are people that believe this (I'm hoping Becky will back me up here, cos I seem to remember her saying something to that effect before), so why shouldn't Jon?
Yes. But Becky thinks Jon is the king of scream as well. Enough said.

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And more importantly, 2) perhaps its just wishful thinking? Imagine yourself in Jon's shoes yeah, a guy who's made his living out of being a fantastic singer begins to lose his voice... it can't exactly be easy for him. Perhaps he wants to believe that his voice is better nowadays. Cut the guy some slack. He is human. The vast majority of singers lose the power in their voice with age. Why do you think Jon should be an exception?
I just call it lying to pretend you're a great singer. He knows his singing has started to suck lately and knows fans know this as well, which is why he says in interviews that he's a better singer. People read or hear an interview like that, and are interested in a new show again. Business, nothing but business.

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Old 02-08-2005, 11:04 AM
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- Jon thinks he's a better singer nowadays, just like Bono and Steven Tyler he controls his voice much better.
The bullshit of the year!
It seems to me that Jon thinks his fans are stupid...
Right, I'm going to do a Derek Bliss now, cos I object to this remark. Did any of you ever stop to think about the following:

1) That he genuinely does believe that his voice is better nowadays? I know that there are people that believe this (I'm hoping Becky will back me up here, cos I seem to remember her saying something to that effect before), so why shouldn't Jon?

And more importantly, 2) perhaps its just wishful thinking? Imagine yourself in Jon's shoes yeah, a guy who's made his living out of being a fantastic singer begins to lose his voice... it can't exactly be easy for him. Perhaps he wants to believe that his voice is better nowadays. Cut the guy some slack. He is human. The vast majority of singers lose the power in their voice with age. Why do you think Jon should be an exception?

Mr Jon Bon Jovi simply can’t say he’s a better singer nowadays…full stop.
He’s miles away from his better singing (KTF – TD era) and he perfectly knows that.
Unfortunately for him we all have a brain and a couple of ears…so, Mr JBJ, don’t tell us bullshits please!
Losing power is one thing…singing songs one octave lower is another. He should admit his problems and try to work them out if he wants to keep on playing decent live shows (…and first of all, if he really cares…)
Hey, we’re talking about a 42 years old man…he’s not 58!
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Losing power is one thing…singing songs one octave lower is another. He should admit his problems and try to work them out if he wants to keep on playing decent live shows (…and first of all, if he really cares…)
Hey, we’re talking about a 42 years old man…he’s not 58!
I want to say that i liked his voice better on his earlier records then bounce and this left feels right ( i've never seen the band play live , so i can only judge what i hear on the albums). But seriously, it's really not that bad is it? i saw them play on the american music awards and yes they sang it's my life a little lower than the album version (i think, i just remember it being easier to sing along to than when i played it on piano), a tone or so maybe, but how can one say that his voice suck now? Well, you can actually, i could be wrong, some of you guys definitely know better than me, seeing him live on many concerts and all (and i not trying to be sarcastic or anything like that).
besides that, is it really true that he performed his song one octave lower? Would he really have needed to? i can believe that if he sang his songs a few tones lower but an octave is whole 8 tones and it really makes a big different. In some parts he'd sound like his singing bass! Once again, you may be right. But are you sure he didn't only sing the really high liiviinnggg oon a praayeerr or something like that an octave lower? I mean, imagine the first verse of bed of roses being sang 1 octave lower... that would just sound weird...
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Losing power is one thing…singing songs one octave lower is another. He should admit his problems and try to work them out if he wants to keep on playing decent live shows (…and first of all, if he really cares…)
Hey, we’re talking about a 42 years old man…he’s not 58!
I want to say that i liked his voice better on his earlier records then bounce and this left feels right ( i've never seen the band play live , so i can only judge what i hear on the albums). But seriously, it's really not that bad is it? i saw them play on the american music awards and yes they sang it's my life a little lower than the album version (i think, i just remember it being easier to sing along to than when i played it on piano), a tone or so maybe, but how can one say that his voice suck now? Well, you can actually, i could be wrong, some of you guys definitely know better than me, seeing him live on many concerts and all (and i not trying to be sarcastic or anything like that).
besides that, is it really true that he performed his song one octave lower? Would he really have needed to? i can believe that if he sang his songs a few tones lower but an octave is whole 8 tones and it really makes a big different. In some parts he'd sound like his singing bass! Once again, you may be right. But are you sure he didn't only sing the really high liiviinnggg oon a praayeerr or something like that an octave lower? I mean, imagine the first verse of bed of roses being sang 1 octave lower... that would just sound weird...
Talkin about an octave lower I was referring to the recent performance of "The radio save my life tonight" that was simply ridiculous.
Other songs are played one or two tones lower...(LOAP, in these arms, IML...) and there are songs that are never played live because of their high tunes. Take Always as example...it's their biggest hit ever and it was a regular only during the these days tour. Nowadays it's very rare to hear it live...the same for "These days". They're hard to sing, so if Jon is in a very good shape you can be lucky and hear them, if not you'll be sure to hear crappy songs like Capt. Crash and I got the girl (which are played almost every night).
His voice sucks if you compare the live performances of the Bounce Tour with the These days era.

There was a time when Jon's singing was to me the highlights of a BJ show...he gave me shrives during "something to believe in", "always" "this aint a love song"
now I keep my finger crossed he doesn't miss the notes. ...this is very sad....
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Talkin about an octave lower I was referring to the recent performance of "The radio save my life tonight" that was simply ridiculous.
Other songs are played one or two tones lower...(LOAP, in these arms, IML...) and there are songs that are never played live because of their high tunes. Take Always as example...it's their biggest hit ever and it was a regular only during the these days tour. Nowadays it's very rare to hear it live...the same for "These days". They're hard to sing, so if Jon is in a very good shape you can be lucky and hear them, if not you'll be sure to hear crappy songs like Capt. Crash and I got the girl (which are played almost every night).
His voice sucks if you compare the live performances of the Bounce Tour with the These days era.

There was a time when Jon's singing was to me the highlights of a BJ show...he gave me shrives during "something to believe in", "always" "this aint a love song"
i would really really love to see bon jovi perform always and these days live in concert, but from what you said it appears that i might not get the chance. Sometimes i wish i grew up in the 80s and that i started liking bon jovi earlier, so i can wear my hair all puffy and watch them during one their SWW tours.

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now I keep my finger crossed he doesn't miss the notes. ...this is very sad....
*sigh* yes that does sound very sad, but i'm sure he doesn't miss the notes too often, as long as they put on a good show i'll be too high to notice. they say that guns and roses didn't perform live too well when they first started, but they were always excited and that was enough for alot of people.
i guess making the crowd feel good is more important than having everything perfect. i m sure a performance would be more enjoyable for a fan also if the fan don't bother worrying about whether the guitarist would get that killer guitar solo right or whether the singer will get that high note perfect and just jump and dance and sing your heart out with them. that's what i would do
i perform in front of people at my school sometimes and it's rare for me or the band i play in to get everything perfect, and when i make a mistake i feel really bad about it. once a friend of mine counted all my mistakes and told me the number of mistakes i made, it made me feel so so so bad that nowaday everytime i perform i always think that someone is out in the crowd counting my mistakes (and that definitely doesn't improve my performances because it distracts me). What i'm trying to say is that .... no ... actually i don't know what i'm trying to get to.
Well, i don't think it's fair to say that the reason why jon's voice are not singing the high notes is because he doesn't care about his fans or things like that. i'm sure he cares, why wouldn't he?If i care about the people i perform to and they are not even my fans or whatever, then i think jon would definitely care about the people who are his fans.
i don't think singing the high notes are everything and i don't really mind if they lower their songs by a few tones. i know it's disappointing to spent alot of money to see them perform live and you don't get all the high notes but hey, if i'm in the crowd i'd scream the high notes for them. i think Jon's singing is still emotional and heartfelt, especially when he sings slow songs.
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i would really really love to see bon jovi perform always and these days live in concert, but from what you said it appears that i might not get the chance. Sometimes i wish i grew up in the 80s and that i started liking bon jovi earlier, so i can wear my hair all puffy and watch them during one their SWW tours.
Ahhh, you won't notice. You'll be caught up in the atmosphere, and all the other people will be singing around you, and the instruments will sound huge... it won't matter, believe me
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i would really really love to see bon jovi perform always and these days live in concert, but from what you said it appears that i might not get the chance. Sometimes i wish i grew up in the 80s and that i started liking bon jovi earlier, so i can wear my hair all puffy and watch them during one their SWW tours.
Ahhh, you won't notice. You'll be caught up in the atmosphere, and all the other people will be singing around you, and the instruments will sound huge... it won't matter, believe me
Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean others don't notice this as well. And anyone will hear how lame Radio sounds compared to the album version. Back in the 80's the live versions were just as good or better than the album versions. In the nineties the same story, but in 2000 you're lucky when you hear Jon performing a song just as well as the album version. It's My Life live for example has never been as good as the album version. The same for many other songs.

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Ah, now I'll give you the live version of Radio, as I've never heard it, so I can't comment
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