Sambora: No freedom in Bon Jovi

WillRunForChocolate · #41 06-07-2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by danfan

Does anyone think Jon is aware of just how bad his voice sounds right now?

Does anyone think there is anything he can do about it?

I think he has some awareness. He made a comment at the February fan club trip to Las Vegas that "it's a good day if I hit the high notes," or words to that effect. I'm not sure he knows how painful it is for some of us to listen to him or watch him sing.

Can it be fixed? We can speculate all day, but I don't think anyone outside of a doctor and/or a good vocal coach knows the answer to that. I hope so.

LeaJovi · #42 06-08-2014, 12:10 AM

Of course he's aware. How can you guys even ask this question? It's the same guy that used to hit the notes and have the awesome raspy voice. Now he can't, of course he notices.

You can tell he notices ALL THE TIME, from the moment he finishes Always and is either with a proud look or shaking his head to the moment he makes a live DVD and has to correct some vocals in the studio. I don't even know how many takes he has to do to make a decent verse when in the studio.

Rdkopper · #43 06-08-2014, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan

Does anyone think Jon is aware of just how bad his voice sounds right now?

Does anyone think there is anything he can do about it?

He is absolutly aware but I think he thinks that he is fooling most people with his tricks. So....

Yes, he knows his voice is shot.

No, he doesn't think us fans recognize how bad it is.

Lucas_Roli · #44 06-08-2014, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan

Does anyone think Jon is aware of just how bad his voice sounds right now?

Does anyone think there is anything he can do about it?

I think he knows how bad his voice sounds but I think that he doesn't care...cause if he cared,he'd probably get surgery/hire a vocal coach/would've quit smoking the moment he realised his voice is starting to decline etc.

I find it funny how pissed of he is when a band member gets a little bit sloppy and makes a mistake but his whole voice is a ''mistake'' and his performances are 99% of the time crap.

Looking back at the interviews when he talks why he fired Alec he says something like ''We couldn't compromise the way the band sounded live'',well Jon then you should fire yourself too cause the band is very compromised because of your voice.

Rdkopper · #45 06-08-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli

I think he knows how bad his voice sounds but I think that he doesn't care...cause if he cared,he'd probably get surgery/hire a vocal coach/would've quit smoking the moment he realised his voice is starting to decline etc.

I find it funny how pissed of he is when a band member gets a little bit sloppy and makes a mistake but his whole voice is a ''mistake'' and his performances are 99% of the time crap.

Looking back at the interviews when he talks why he fired Alec he says something like ''We couldn't compromise the way the band sounded live'',well Jon then you should fire yourself too cause the band is very compromised because of your voice.

I wouldn't say that he doesn't care. I think he cares more than all of us combined. Surgery just might not be the best answer though because you never know how you'll come out.

People blame his smoking but I'm not not 100% convinced that that caused the problem. Jon was never a heavy smoker and smoked in intervals. I don't think he smoked enough to get that smokers voice. I truly think it's vocal abuse and age working against him.

As far as the Alec thing goes, Jon blamed Alec for being sloppy due to lack of effort, not lack of ability. Jon's singing voice today is due to lack of ability, not lack of effort.

For all we know he could be working with a vocal coach when on tour (not today during these KOS shows) and his singing might be the absolute best that he's capable of.

Jon will become a rock-star again for his next tour. I think he's just so burnt out from this last one, he's just letting it all go for now. Even dying his hair once a week was probably exhausting.

bonjovi90 · #46 06-08-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

People blame his smoking but I'm not not 100% convinced that that caused the problem. Jon was never a heavy smoker and smoked in intervals. I don't think he smoked enough to get that smokers voice. I truly think it's vocal abuse and age working against him.

I gotta disagree here. I also don't think that him smoking in intervals during the late 80's and early 90's did affect his vocals cause a lot, if at all. But when he was in London in early 1996 for the shoot of The Leading Man he picked up the habit of smoking during the breaks in his trailer and pretty much doing it all the time (I remember him even saying that in an interview close to that period). There it started to affect his voice. At first he was still able to hit the high notes though, but his voice sounded a lot thinner (compare Always from Yokohama 1996 to Wembley or Pittsburgh 1995). You can really tell the difference. When he was into his "movie career" he smoked a lot, maybe because he was thinking that it would suit his imagine at that point (or he was just addicted). Hell, he even had a cigarette in his hands while singing (It's Hard) Letting You Go in Helsinki 1996.
I'm pretty sure this habit was pretty much to blame for the loss of his "original" voice. He sang the stuff on DA in a lower register (could've been for artistic reasons or due to his voice, I think a mix of both) and when he joined Richie onstage at Shepherds Bush in 1998 for With A Little Help From My Friends he totally failed while trying to go for the scream. A lot of his range was just gone at that point.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

As far as the Alec thing goes, Jon blamed Alec for being sloppy due to lack of effort, not lack of ability. Jon's singing voice today is due to lack of ability, not lack of effort.

I actually think that nowadays his bad singing is due to a lack of effort which results in a lack of ability. He is occupied (and more interested in) business or whatever aspects are happening around the shows (a very good example are the "important" phone calls he does on camera in the WWWB documentary) that he simply doesn't take the time to work on his voice as much as he probably needed to anymore. I'm not saying that he isn't trying to give his best on stage, but if you don't come up with a good preparation beforehand you will suck in the end - and that's what he did most of the time last year. Another example is that he always sounds off during the first shows at recent tours and needs some time to get into shape. The bad thing is that nowadays it takes at least up to 20 or 30 concerts for him to do so - it at all...

Rdkopper · #47 06-09-2014, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

I gotta disagree here. I also don't think that him smoking in intervals during the late 80's and early 90's did affect his vocals cause a lot, if at all. But when he was in London in early 1996 for the shoot of The Leading Man he picked up the habit of smoking during the breaks in his trailer and pretty much doing it all the time (I remember him even saying that in an interview close to that period). There it started to affect his voice. At first he was still able to hit the high notes though, but his voice sounded a lot thinner (compare Always from Yokohama 1996 to Wembley or Pittsburgh 1995). You can really tell the difference. When he was into his "movie career" he smoked a lot, maybe because he was thinking that it would suit his imagine at that point (or he was just addicted). Hell, he even had a cigarette in his hands while singing (It's Hard) Letting You Go in Helsinki 1996.
I'm pretty sure this habit was pretty much to blame for the loss of his "original" voice. He sang the stuff on DA in a lower register (could've been for artistic reasons or due to his voice, I think a mix of both) and when he joined Richie onstage at Shepherds Bush in 1998 for With A Little Help From My Friends he totally failed while trying to go for the scream. A lot of his range was just gone at that point.

I actually think that nowadays his bad singing is due to a lack of effort which results in a lack of ability. He is occupied (and more interested in) business or whatever aspects are happening around the shows (a very good example are the "important" phone calls he does on camera in the WWWB documentary) that he simply doesn't take the time to work on his voice as much as he probably needed to anymore. I'm not saying that he isn't trying to give his best on stage, but if you don't come up with a good preparation beforehand you will suck in the end - and that's what he did most of the time last year. Another example is that he always sounds off during the first shows at recent tours and needs some time to get into shape. The bad thing is that nowadays it takes at least up to 20 or 30 concerts for him to do so - it at all...

I agree that he has other endeavor outside of RnR that effects his music overall but I wouldn't blame all that on his lack of vocal effort. Like I stated earlier, I just think Jon thinks he fooling everyone and to be honest, I think he is.

Lucas_Roli · #48 06-09-2014, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

I just think Jon thinks he fooling everyone and to be honest, I think he is.

Yep he is. When my friends see Jon performing live Prayer,IML,Bad Name,Bad Medicine,IBTFY etc. they say ''Amazing voice''. I find it really funny how someone can say such a thing and most of them are not saying it because they are an old and respected band,they really mean it!

rolo_tomachi · #49 06-09-2014, 11:24 AM

Richie Sambora joins Zac Brown Band for CMA Fest.

Wanted Dead or Alive

Zac Brown Band & Richie Sambora -...

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/artic...ainment/413361

JackieBlue · #50 06-09-2014, 02:26 PM

Thanks for the links, Rolo!

Looks like they had a great time! And I love how even the non-Jovi audiences sing Richie's "Wan-ted" in that first verse!

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