Sambora: No freedom in Bon Jovi

Originally Posted by bonjovi90

We know by now that Richie can do no wrong in your eyes...

Originally Posted by Eveline

I've no idea, really. They are on the same topic and yet, there are different ideas discussed in each. It's nothing new that some topics multiply on the forum, have witnessed it everywhere actually.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Eveline, you bumped TWO threads about Richie, one being over two years old. We have two threads going now about the same subject, is there any way we can keep it to one?

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I'm curious. Why is it that whenever people try to make sense of what happened with the split, in ways that suggest there might be more to the story than Jon's version and Richie's obviously partial reasons, they are accused of thinking Richie can do no wrong? I haven't seen anyone imply that Richie is perfect.

Most people seem to have no trouble acknowledging that we don't know the whole story, yet when people suggest that it may not be all on Richie or that there may be legitimate underlying reasons - besides addiction - that may have led up to it, the assumption seems to be that those people are just unable to accept the possibility that he behaved irresponsibly.

I personally have no problem accepting that as one possibility. It absolutely could be the case. But given what we have seen from him over the years, walking off mid-tour seems so totally out of character that it makes me (and apparently some others) think there's just more to it than that.



I also find it curious that this, as well as derailment complaints, most often becomes a problem when the subject is Richie (unless people are going to town on all his faults which, for some reason, doesn't seem to arouse the same complaints).

There doesn't seem to be nearly the same backlash if people bump, create, or comment on multiple threads if the subject is the new album, tours, bootlegs, unreleased songs, favorites or ranking polls, etc.

I get that some people are tired of discussing Richie, at least in a positive way. (Like I said, no one seems to care as long as the posts trash him.) I get that some people wish the whole subject would just go away. I understand if the comments interrupt the flow of an unrelated discussion. But, quite honestly, I have little sympathy for the complainers when the threads are clearly labeled. If someone doesn't want to read about Richie, then my suggestion would be to skip those threads.




Matt, I realize that, as a mod, you might be in a slightly different position with regard to being able to ignore threads. But can you explain what the problem is with bumping old threads if someone has something to add?

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I get that some people are tired of discussing Richie, at least in a positive way. (Like I said, no one seems to care as long as the posts trash him.) I get that some people wish the whole subject would just go away. I understand if the comments interrupt the flow of an unrelated discussion. But, quite honestly, I have little sympathy for the complainers when the threads are clearly labeled. If someone doesn't want to read about Richie, then my suggestion would be to skip those threads.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

That's fair, but I've closed multiple threads over the last few months where people just don't read what else is being talked about and just open a new one, or I've merged them together. I want this to be safe space where people can talk about whatever they want, and am trying to organize it so the mods have less of a headache because civil discussions don't always happen, especially when it comes to Richie. Clearly labeled is good, but when there's already a place to give an opinion and you bring back an outdated one, I just don't understand.