sebastain bach

Because it's his right to do so. Snake might be over it. Doesn't mean that Baz has to be over it as well. I know, if I'd be ripped off I would be pissed even 50 years after. You agree with me that there IS A REASON for him to complain, so why shouldn't he? Just because he complains about Jon Bon Jovi?

Yes, I do agree with you that Sebastian has a right to complain about the bad record deal because it was that, a bad contract. But, that said, do you think if he was still successful that he'd be bringing up a one record deal where Jon and Richie got the majority of the publishing rights to the songs? And no, you could replace Jon and Richie with Axl and Slash and I'd still say the same thing that it was a bad contract for ONE record, at least it was only one record, heck they could have made it for three. He had AMPLE opportunties after that contract expired to take the success from that record and the exposure from touring with Bon Jovi and run with it and keep Skid Row thriving but instead he let his ego get the best of him and the band imploded.

deb

The thing is Jon has said that they wrote songs for Skid Row, never in the context of what the whole publishing rights deal was, but in the context of talking about other artists that he's written/cowritten for. He's said it several times over the years but if you check their CDs he's never credited. That's one reason I tend to believe that Jon and Richie did write those songs.

Come one, you are talking like Skid Row disappeared after their debut album. Well, they didn't. Slave To The Grind debuted at #1 in the Billboard charts - for the first time ever a heavy metal band did that. It sold quite a lot, especially in Europe where it was far bigger than their debut. Subhuman Race later flopped because it sucked, indeed, then he was fired, etc etc...but let's not forget that he/they didn't start dcomplaining about it NOW, it had happened then already, when Skid Row was still successful, while Skid Row was still walking that road of fame and success that Jon and Richie arguably opened for them. Skid Row had AMPLE opportunities, indeed, which they used. Let's not forget that it was the MOST NOTORIOUS whatever tour with Guns N' Roses which had definitely established them as absolute super stars of their age. They went on tour with Aerosmith etc etc. Baz is not blaming Jon for ****ing' up his career. He's blaming him for ripping him off. You were saying "If he was successful...he wouldn't do it"...well, the Slave To The Grind years were in my opinon quite successfull, weren't they?

Interesting. Never read any of that. I know though that Jon threatened Baz that if he doesn't shut his ****in mouth he'll tell everyone the truth. I am really curious what the truth actually is. I am sure it's something that might leave him looking bad as well, otherwise he would have done it by now...

Oh yea, sorry, they had 2 successful records and then disappeared. I should have said IF he had continued to be successful. What aggravates me about Sebastian and what he showed on the Supergroup show is that he is ready to blame anyone and everyone other than himself for why Skid Row didn't stay together. I think the guy is a great singer but the diva qualities he displays just get under my skin.

I am as curious as you are as to what the actual truth is between ALL parties regarding the songwriting and the contract.

deb

18 and Life and Youth Gone Wild were written before the band was even signed... I have a demo with their old lead singer singing these songs (among others). So even if Jon and Richie wrote songs, the band would've made it big without 'em, because apart from "I Remember You", those were the hit singles off the first album.

I've never heard/read that before. I don't think the whole truth will ever be told on this one.

Baz will always feel he got "ripped" off but he's the only one of the Skid Row guys who still feels the need to publicly whine about it. He signed a bad contract, period. Not unusual for a young band, most first contracts suck. Like I said go ask the Goos. The fact is Skid Row got a first class opportunity and they couldn't keep it together, Baz shot himself in the foot career wise and to still be screamin' about one bad deal nearly 20 years later, when if he had had 3 working brain cells he could have made the money that BJ supposedly "ripped" him off for 20 times over, smacks of a sad pathetic desperate for attention has been who hasn't enough talent to create something of his own tyo get attention and the only name in his rolodex that gets a camera turned on him id BJ's.

Yes they had a couple other songs but those never went as far or were as big as the first two, now maybe that's because the metal thing was coming to an end and being replaced by grunge or maybe it was that the songs just weren't that good. I still say it's curious that those first two songs were so on the spot as to what would do well on the charts, and they were the type of songs that Jon and Richie would have written. I do beklieve the songs exsisted in some form when Skid Row got picked up by BJ but those two songs got reworked with a Jon/ Richie stamp in my opinion.

I just don't really feel the Jon/Richie thing in those songs that you guys are saying.
But wasted Time is a way better song anyway, I do believe that Sebastian feels that he deserved more money, not for the publishing rights because the songs aren't written by him anyway, but for the fact that he feels he sold those songs with his voice and persona, which is really at least partially true.