some lyrical question...

spunkywho · #11 07-14-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

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And remember the lines that follow it:
"I've been trying to find the meaning, so I can write it down"
It is an interesting way of putting thoughts on paper without simply saying "I am lonely and depressed, poor me. Boo-hoo"
Instead, he defines loneliness by leaving the listener responsible to "find the meaning' of loneliness. That way, the listener always understands because the listener made up the definition to begin with. It is pretty clever for rock music.

Ummm. No. The songs about how hard it is to write a song. About a writers block. He's trying to write a song, wants to write a song with the line "misery likes company" but can't find the meaning. I think you're reading too much into the song.

Ice

I think it is up to the listener to decide what the song is about to them. A song might move me and speak to me in a way that no one else would understand or agree with. That doesn't make my interpretation right or wrong for that matter.

The beauty of music and literature

I like Beavoids interpretation

Supersonic · #12 07-14-2004, 10:51 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Beavoid

Yes Iceman, the song is JUST about writing a song. I have rethought it and looked over the lyrics again. I was wrong.

The possibility that perhaps it is connected in some way to the title of the album, the songs on the album (and the demos), and certain mindset of a 'generation' (which jon has mentioned in his black cloud speeches) has absolutly no relevence here whatsoever.

Albums have no vision. And Jon and the band (and any good band) do not choose very specifically the songs that will and will not be on an album based upon whether they fit into the mindset of the album. Keeping a track on or This is jus tnot the way of an artist.

You are right.
I ama fool

Now is the winter of your discontent, Mr. Iceman. Deformed by disembling nature, mayhaps?...Scarce half made up...

Iceman,
Methinks thou spurns me.

HA

Love,

B

Yes you're an idiot and Ice is right. Jon said this himself when they were talking about the These Days album track by track. So be quiet.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Beavoid · #13 07-14-2004, 11:17 PM

No, Sebastian

I am a fool

And I guess Bed of Roses is JUST song about writing a song too.

Just like jon said in that stupid interview you're talking about.

(and I am being sarcastic here, nitwit)

ok

Where in there does he say that words don't have meaning--hell, where does he say words don't have multiple meanings? Please, do you have some magical directors cut of this interview, because mine is only about a minute.

the fact that not only one, but two people would go out of there way to be shitheads on some damn internet messageboard is ridiculous.

I may be a fool, maybe even an idiot...but you are ridiculous

salami a'lick'em,
and
koo-koo-kachoo

B

Iceman · #14 07-14-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Beavoid

I am a fool

That you are. From an innocent comment, you start a war. Not a wise thing to do.

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Just like jon said in that stupid interview you're talking about.

Can't take it when your wrong, huh?

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Where in there does he say that words don't have meaning--hell, where does he say words don't have multiple meanings? Please, do you have some magical directors cut of this interview, because mine is only about a minute.

It doesn't. You can iterpret them in any way you like, but the songwriter knows what _he_ wrote about. You don't.

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the fact that not only one, but two people would go out of there way to be shitheads on some damn internet messageboard is ridiculous.

The fact that you think that either of us has "gone out of our way" is ridiculous. You ain't seen nothing yet, Mr. Hemorrhoid.

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I may be a fool, maybe even an idiot...but you are ridiculous

Sorry, wrong again.

Ice

Iceman · #15 07-14-2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spunkywho

I think it is up to the listener to decide what the song is about to them. A song might move me and speak to me in a way that no one else would understand or agree with. That doesn't make my interpretation right or wrong for that matter.

Exactly, to _them_. Arash was asking about the song in general. Jon wrote it about a writers block, no matter how much Beavoid wants to believe otherwise. He may interpret it any way he wants, but what Jon wrote it about was a writers block.
Ice

spunkywho · #16 07-14-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

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Originally Posted by spunkywho

I think it is up to the listener to decide what the song is about to them. A song might move me and speak to me in a way that no one else would understand or agree with. That doesn't make my interpretation right or wrong for that matter.

Arash was asking about the song in general. Ice

Actually, I think Arash asked abou the meaning of certain phrases of the song.

Not to debate the meaning of this song, but Jon's explanations are often rather idiotic and just because he likes to have a clever idea about a song in hindsight, doesn't mean that was the intent of his writing. No matter what he says - he'll say what he wants you to believe - not necessarily what is the truth. As he did with 'Always'.

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