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Old 08-31-2010, 03:40 PM
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Oh yeah, I heard that one of Jon who wrote 'IBTFY' for Dorothea, but I remember someone calling it a 'Richie-song' or something...? Anyway, It'd be interesting to know into which song which band member contributed what. *confusing sentence* I'm a big fan of Richie's lyrics, 'Stranger' is masterful.
Yes, I find it very interesting too. And further still, itīd be interesting to know how big DCīs contribution has been on numerous songs. But I guess no one will ever know.

Anyway, I think These Days the title track is definitely Richieīs song to begin with. My assumption has been backed by the fact that Richie used to sing it at some point on BJ tours.
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Richie said he wrote it and it was a real situation, where the girl (some say it was Cher) was leaving, standing by the door with her suitcases packed.

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It would make sense given that he has been singing that track a lot on tour. It's only speculation but Dave Bryan gets to sing the occasional solo piece during 'In These Arms' for the exact same reason so it's sensible speculation.

Who knows? The fact that he's been singing Homebound Train and LYHOM could suggest they are tracks he had more than his fair share of writing in as well?
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I thought Bed of Roses was a metaphor for missing his wife while he was just on tour in general. Knowing Jon, he just could have just said those cheating things in interviews for girls would take more interest or people would think he's a bad ass or something.
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I searched for an hour or so but have come up with no evidence at all to prove the claim that Jon boy has cheated. Thus, I have come to the conclusion it is all bull.
Believe what you want. You are naive as hell anyway. Anyway, this quote is about as close as you are going to come currently.

"I've been in one of the biggest rock bands in the world for 25 years, and I'm not a saint, and I have not been a saint," Bon Jovi, 45, tells Best Life magazine for its November issue. "I missed tons of birthdays and school plays. But it's not like Dorothea came in halfway through the movie and didn't know who she got."
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Yes, I find it very interesting too. And further still, itīd be interesting to know how big DCīs contribution has been on numerous songs. But I guess no one will ever know.

Anyway, I think These Days the title track is definitely Richieīs song to begin with. My assumption has been backed by the fact that Richie used to sing it at some point on BJ tours.
That's an interesting thought, I never really thought that the songs Richie sings on tour is actually in a way 'his' songs, but it makes sense, doesn't it? I mean with 'IBTFY' and all. I'd like to know all this because well, just because Jon's name stands in front of the most songs, doesn't mean that he's always the main contributer. I always get that impression when they talk about it that Jon's presumably writes all the songs and Richie just edit's here and there, and comes up with a song title or two, which is Bullsh*t in my opinion.
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ugh is anyone else holding onto the "jon is a good guy" hope? i hate hearing things like that even though deep down i know it's true...
Life and relationships are too complicated to simply deem Jon as having cost himself the good guy tag due to whatever indiscretion he has had. It just isn't that black and white, despite whatever tv shows, movies, or magazines may brainwash one into believing.
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Jon has been married for 21 years, and has four children all from the same mother. So he cheated once, it happens and doesn't deem him a bad man.

The guy is as clean cut as a rock star can be.
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That's an interesting thought, I never really thought that the songs Richie sings on tour is actually in a way 'his' songs, but it makes sense, doesn't it? I mean with 'IBTFY' and all. I'd like to know all this because well, just because Jon's name stands in front of the most songs, doesn't mean that he's always the main contributer. I always get that impression when they talk about it that Jon's presumably writes all the songs and Richie just edit's here and there, and comes up with a song title or two, which is Bullsh*t in my opinion.
Taking this one step further, I dare to compare the songwriting collaboration of JB & RS to Lennon & McCartney. I mean, in the latter part of the 60īs, most of The Beatles songs were written solely by John or Paul, yet both were always mentioned as songwriters. I guess the same at least occasionally may happen with JB & RS also. Some songs may be more or less written solely by Jon or Richie or even DC, despite of the credits listed. (In this aspect, I am not talking about the numerous songs where Jon is the only songwriter mentioned to begin with.)

Iīd say You Give Love A Bad Name was very much touched by Desmond. The chorus is almost the same he had used previously on that Bonnie Tyler song. Jon said he came up with the title. On LivinīOn A Prayer, on the other hand, DCīs influence may be smaller, at least according to Jon. Jon always stated Desmond only wrote the pre-chorus. Consequently, after having his name on the song, Desmond then may have used variations of the chorus on numerous subsequent songs he wrote.

Richie said they wrote Lay Your Hands On Me in the studio in 2 hours. Wild Is The Wind was inspired by an acoustic background created by Richie and Born To Be My Babyīs title was said to be suggested by Richie. Desmond took a lot of credit of that song and said he was disappointed that the band didnīt record it as a ballad like he had intended it to be. According to a quite recent interview with Jon and Richie, I got the impression Blood On Blood was very much a collaborative effort. According to Jon, Bad Medicine was already finished and recorded by the time they played it to Desmond. Jon was then forced to give one third of the song to Desmond because he added the pre-chorus (written by the 3 of them on a previous session).

On KTF, itīs quite evident Jonīs input was much bigger than Richieīs. Jon said he had already written a plenty of new material for a band record by the time they got back together after a long break. Thatīs why songs written in collaboration are almost in a minority on the album. On the KTF VHS video, Richie says they combined two separate songs to create In These Arms (one of the last songs written for KTF). One of these songs was written by Richie and the other one by Jon or was it David. (I suppose on a BJ album, Jon has to be the first mentioned songwriter on each track anyway...)

Iīd say These Days was much more a collaborative effort than KTF. On his guitar tutorial video, Richie is quite enthusiastic about Damned and says it is the first BJ track to have funky rhyhtm guitar. So Iīd say he had a lot to do with that one. While singing These Days on the LH tour, Richie said something about that song representing hope and getting through his dark times. So I suppose it was quite much his song to begin with. Jon said If Thatīs What It Takes was a song written by him and Richie. They werenīt able to make it properly work before Jon came up wit a new chorus that suited the song better. Both have said they got the inspiration for Hey God while watching out of a limousine window and seeing a beggar.

From 2000 on, itīs even harder to make guesses on the relative emphasis of different songwriters. Of course, all Iīve said in this post may be misinterpretation anyway. Someone else may well have different kind of information on the background of these songs, too. And letīs face it, only Jon & Richie would know the truth.
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Jon has been married for 21 years, and has four children all from the same mother. So he cheated once, it happens and doesn't deem him a bad man.

The guy is as clean cut as a rock star can be.
It's bubble bursting when you only want to think of someone as a saintly rock star with no faults
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...It's got a couple of things I agree with, but the whole thing has the tone of being written by someone whose lunch money was stolen by Jon forty years ago...


Why Rock Hole's article about Bon Jovi Sucks

* Because it doesn't know the meaning of the word "context."

* Because it doesn't know the meaning of the word "joke."

* Because it doesn't know the meaning of the word "research." Dave Sabo joined knowing he was temporary because he wasn't experienced enough--he replaced a guitarist who had left at the last minute to join a cover band (!). Jon can be seen with a cigarette in the She Don't Know Me video six years before he started making movies. And while Dave Bryan was accepted by Julliard in 1983, he did not officially attend.

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