Songs which they take from record company (and Ghost Writers)

Like probably we all know record companies hire many "Ghost writes/songwriters" who make for them songs/music/melodies.Then record company send some of their work (whitch they think have potential to be hits) to their artist. Artist can use them for their next albums, singles ecc. Sometimes company send their stuff to one artist, sometimes they send stuff for many artist. When someone use that song other can use them only as a Demo/B-side or as a single only when song sound different from previous relased. Most famous ghost writers are Martin Max, Sia, D.Warren ecc. Some of them give others their work but they also use their name in credits. But not all of them do the same. Sometimes we don't have idea who made demo song and only if there is any leak we know the truth.

In this year Sia relased album in which almost all songs were written for other artists. Some their previous songs were given in the same time to others like "Titanium" fwhich was offered to A.Keys, K.Perry and Mary J.Blidge (with D.Guetta).

What's the different betwen that kind of song than typical stealing melodies/rip off or typical collaboration with others?

*You steal song without permission, sometimes you steal something from other song and you even didn't know it.

*It's also different than working as a collaboration. For example Bon Jovi worked with D.Child who give them early demo of Livin. Band were working together with Desmond to make it final song. It was given to them to make final song not send to them and other artists as a demo (as far as we know of course). They used many that kind of songs and worked togheter with original creator like for example "Love's The Only Rule", "Keep The Faith"/"Revenge" or "Army Of One".

*If you take song from ghost writers you have permission to do whatever you want to make this song suit best for you. Probably you didn't even know who make that song. Probably that demo was send not only for you but many other artists.


Typical songs which were based on the same "ghost writers demo song":
David Guetta - Lovers On The Sun:
Avicii - The Nights

Songs are different but they both use the same demo (which they even didn't made). Avicii even helped D.Guetta in his "Lovers OTSun".

And now it's time for rip off/song which was secretly stolen from them:
Mans Zelmerlöw - Heroes

Avicii was pissed for people who made "Heroes" because they use melody without their (Guetta/Avicii) permission.


In Bon Jovi discography are many songs which they made:
- Alone (Wanted, Always, Bed Of Roses)
- Working with others as a new song or based on early demo (Love's The Only Rule, Bad Name, Livin On A Prayer or Just Older)
- Stealing something from others (Something To Believe In, Captain Crash, Beautiful World)

How we can find songs which they do based on typical ghost writers demo? I think we should look on 3 things:
- Songs which are credited with other artists and we didn't have stories, photos ecc how they work togheter in studio/home (Wild Is The Wind). Probalby all songs made by most popular writers D.Warren, H.Knight or M.Martin were done in that way. Funny thing is that many of them were previolusly rejected by Jon to be on official album tracklist.
- Songs with the same melody which were recorded at the same period of time (Saturday Night GMSMorning). Many of them were relased only as a B-Side/Demo.
- Songs which are credited by Jon/Richie + other artist and which were given to others artists (Nothing, You're Not My Lover, Burn With Me).

So which songs in Bon Jovi discography are probably done in that way:

01.She Don't Know Me
It could be best example but that song isn't credited by BJ. I think it's the last time when Jon accept using song, makeing their own version and didn't take credit for it.

The Grass Roots - She Don't Know Me
Fair Warning (La Flavour) - She Don't Know Me

02.Wild Is The Wind
Song was written by Diane Warren which is one of the most popular songwriter. Jon didn't want to include that song on New Jersey but good reviews from Pizza Jury changed his decision.

03.Stick To Your Guns
the Same story like "Wild Is The Wind". Song was written by Holly Knight who is also popular songwriter. And the same story - Jon didn't want to include that song on New Jersey but good reviews from Pizza Jury changed his decision.

04.I'll Be There For You
There is a story that Bon Jovi listen many demos which record company gave them in New Jersey session. That song was written by band which name I didn't know. Record company paid that band and Jon/Richie could use that melody and make their own song.

05.Bounce demos
After big succes of "It's My Life" record company probably gave many demos to BJ for Bounce sessions. I think all of them credited by Andreas Carlsson are previously made by Andreas and his "Ghost writers".

06.Take Back The Night
I think it's typical song based on demo song offered to many artists. Swedish House Mafia made hit from that melody so it wasn't necesarrly to use it by any other artist. So Bon Jovi used it in "goodbye record company" album.

07.Saturday Night Gave Me Sunday Morning
I think Jons story that they recorded that song 7-8 years ago can by true. Nickelback and Bon Jovi could based on the same demo makeing their own song.

Other songs which can be done the same:
Bordeline
Edge Of Broken Heart
Complicated
The Hardes Part Is The Night
Nothing
You're Not My Lover
These Open Arms
Burn With Me
Life Is Beautiful

Song which was on the list but I erase it:
It's My Life
I know that Max Martin is credited for that one but few things make me think that that song was done in different way.
IMLife was last song which they made. Say It Isn't So was planned to be first single from "Crush". Then they recorded IMLife. Song which is very similar to "One Wild Night" which was recorded earlier and IMLife suit well to almost all songs from "Crush". So maybe Max Martin listen "Crush" and he was asked if he has something which could work on that album as a single? Maybe he made one of his demo more similar to Bon Jovi stuff and give them. Then BJ made lyrics and make this song typical for them (talk-box ecc). Jon and Richie always talk about lyrics of that song but they said very little about how they come with melody. So I think it's not typical demo which was send to many artist.

So what's your opinion about that theory. What do you think which songs could be based on songs which record company send to many artist?

Do you know why ghostwriters are called ghostwriters? Because they're invisible. It is not an interchangeable term with "songwriters".

Source?

Completely depends on the artist. Aerosmith were writing with Jim Vallance, live, in the flesh, so the songs were written specifically with and for them.

Both share a writer. However, they each have a couple of additional professional songwriters unique to them. So it's unlikely (as if it wasn't clear by the songs themselves) that they were originally the same song; they just share a writer and elements.

You know that Bad Name's chorus is a much better example of professional songwriters re-using assets?

Bad Name was written WITH Desmond in the room, originally for Loverboy. You know that "shot through the heart" was used by Bon Jovi before, right?

Desmond Child also has a writing credit for that one.

Ah, that story. It sounds a ton like a Beatles song, though.

You think the record company just hands the band demos of songs they bought "just in case the band might wanna use some of them"? That stuff is expensive as hell.

Source? Because it sounds like that song?

Source? Because they both sound same-y?

And IML sounds like a Backstreet Boys track, production-wise. Think Larger Than Life.

So, you're either a daring insider or somebody who likes to take wild guesses in broken English.

That actually was my guess after reading his post. Some sparks of truth might be in there somewhere, but overall it seems like a load of wild guesses to me.

D.Child have his ballad version of Livin. He said in on of his last interview that it was his song which he finally made with Bon Jovi. If I will find that one I'll put here.

But I use them both because important thing is who started doing song/demo. It's important on this topic to divide on two things -> someone made demo and send to many artist or someone write song working only with Bon Jovi. It's not importand who did that ghost writers or songwriters.
They used chorus from D.Child song. They based on previous D.Child work.
Melody was bought (according to story) but rest was done by Bon Jovi. Makeing it sound like rip-of The Beatles song is another story. We have here ghost writers and little rip off.
Where's problem? Company pay only if band use that demo and relase. Sia take money only if someone take her work. Noone take her demos from last album (or she decided to keep them) so she relased it as a album.

Sound and was written at the same point of time. And like I said in that topic we know that record company give their demos to many artist at the same time. You probably won't ever know if that's true. Only if someone tell that but probably they can't do that. But there's too many similarities to say it's can't be true..

Like I said before. They could use the same demo song and made their own song. Look at Avicii/Guetta songs.

From whom where those stolen from?

I see your points but like Alphavictim and bonjovi90 already said, most of it is nothing more than wild guesses which can be made up for everything.

Based on what's been talked about here (which would confirm it's wild guessing based on theories more so than being an insider):

Something to believe in ----> Simple Minds - Don't you forget about me
Captain Crash ------> Oasis - Stay Young

I do not agree with this approach, not with bon jovi at least. I think some points if they could have known, because they use the same co-writer in a period of time in which may be recycled ideas from other compositions for other artists... but do not think it's that deliberate.

However, I believe that many of the songs that resemble other, is because Jon copy greater or lesser degree to make your own song. Sometimes the result is good, but others are too obvious and is ridiculous.

Some songs of Foo Fighters also have these rip off, even Led Zeppelin or The Beatles also went through that. But I do not think it's a matter of record companies, I would say that is rather things the artist is willing to go - to borrow (stolen) as his inspiration, when his muse not appear.

Thank you.

And...nooo, I don't think so. The "Heys" are similar but that's it.
And Stay Young may have a little little tiny tiny tiny bit of resemblance with Cpt. Crash but not that much that I would consider it being copied without being told so.

Yeah my case with that is strictly the hey's and the piano part. I don't know if it's in the same key or what or if it was intentional but it's too too too similar.

The Oasis one, I definitely hear the similarities down to the time signature and similar word choices. I have to believe they at least heard the song before.

I knew you'd bring up this version. Just: What exactly is it that indicates that this was not recorded afterwards?

I guess that's not the only instance in which you take liberties with the English language. It's still not what the term actually means.

I'm pretty sure the band also decides on who to write with. Why else would they NOT have brought in Max Martin again?

Nickelback and Bon Jovi aren't even on the same label.

Sorry, but the way you get songwriters, publishers and record companies all mixed up kinda indicates you have no clue what you're talking about. Wild guesses are one thing, but to back them up the way you do makes this all seem really inane. Plus you drop various co-writers, too, and suddenly Desmond Child is negligible, whereas in other cases, he's "obviously" the one who wrote it all by himself.