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Old 03-09-2016, 10:38 PM
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Default Songs which they take from record company (and Ghost Writers)

Like probably we all know record companies hire many "Ghost writes/songwriters" who make for them songs/music/melodies.Then record company send some of their work (whitch they think have potential to be hits) to their artist. Artist can use them for their next albums, singles ecc. Sometimes company send their stuff to one artist, sometimes they send stuff for many artist. When someone use that song other can use them only as a Demo/B-side or as a single only when song sound different from previous relased. Most famous ghost writers are Martin Max, Sia, D.Warren ecc. Some of them give others their work but they also use their name in credits. But not all of them do the same. Sometimes we don't have idea who made demo song and only if there is any leak we know the truth.

In this year Sia relased album in which almost all songs were written for other artists. Some their previous songs were given in the same time to others like "Titanium" fwhich was offered to A.Keys, K.Perry and Mary J.Blidge (with D.Guetta).

What's the different betwen that kind of song than typical stealing melodies/rip off or typical collaboration with others?

*You steal song without permission, sometimes you steal something from other song and you even didn't know it.

*It's also different than working as a collaboration. For example Bon Jovi worked with D.Child who give them early demo of Livin. Band were working together with Desmond to make it final song. It was given to them to make final song not send to them and other artists as a demo (as far as we know of course). They used many that kind of songs and worked togheter with original creator like for example "Love's The Only Rule", "Keep The Faith"/"Revenge" or "Army Of One".

*If you take song from ghost writers you have permission to do whatever you want to make this song suit best for you. Probably you didn't even know who make that song. Probably that demo was send not only for you but many other artists.


Typical songs which were based on the same "ghost writers demo song":
David Guetta - Lovers On The Sun:
Avicii - The Nights

Songs are different but they both use the same demo (which they even didn't made). Avicii even helped D.Guetta in his "Lovers OTSun".

And now it's time for rip off/song which was secretly stolen from them:
Mans Zelmerlöw - Heroes

Avicii was pissed for people who made "Heroes" because they use melody without their (Guetta/Avicii) permission.


In Bon Jovi discography are many songs which they made:
- Alone (Wanted, Always, Bed Of Roses)
- Working with others as a new song or based on early demo (Love's The Only Rule, Bad Name, Livin On A Prayer or Just Older)
- Stealing something from others (Something To Believe In, Captain Crash, Beautiful World)

How we can find songs which they do based on typical ghost writers demo? I think we should look on 3 things:
- Songs which are credited with other artists and we didn't have stories, photos ecc how they work togheter in studio/home (Wild Is The Wind). Probalby all songs made by most popular writers D.Warren, H.Knight or M.Martin were done in that way. Funny thing is that many of them were previolusly rejected by Jon to be on official album tracklist.
- Songs with the same melody which were recorded at the same period of time (Saturday Night GMSMorning). Many of them were relased only as a B-Side/Demo.
- Songs which are credited by Jon/Richie + other artist and which were given to others artists (Nothing, You're Not My Lover, Burn With Me).

So which songs in Bon Jovi discography are probably done in that way:

01.She Don't Know Me
It could be best example but that song isn't credited by BJ. I think it's the last time when Jon accept using song, makeing their own version and didn't take credit for it.

The Grass Roots - She Don't Know Me
Fair Warning (La Flavour) - She Don't Know Me

02.Wild Is The Wind
Song was written by Diane Warren which is one of the most popular songwriter. Jon didn't want to include that song on New Jersey but good reviews from Pizza Jury changed his decision.

03.Stick To Your Guns

the Same story like "Wild Is The Wind". Song was written by Holly Knight who is also popular songwriter. And the same story - Jon didn't want to include that song on New Jersey but good reviews from Pizza Jury changed his decision.

04.I'll Be There For You

There is a story that Bon Jovi listen many demos which record company gave them in New Jersey session. That song was written by band which name I didn't know. Record company paid that band and Jon/Richie could use that melody and make their own song.

05.Bounce demos
After big succes of "It's My Life" record company probably gave many demos to BJ for Bounce sessions. I think all of them credited by Andreas Carlsson are previously made by Andreas and his "Ghost writers".

06.Take Back The Night

I think it's typical song based on demo song offered to many artists. Swedish House Mafia made hit from that melody so it wasn't necesarrly to use it by any other artist. So Bon Jovi used it in "goodbye record company" album.

07.Saturday Night Gave Me Sunday Morning
I think Jons story that they recorded that song 7-8 years ago can by true. Nickelback and Bon Jovi could based on the same demo makeing their own song.

Other songs which can be done the same:
Bordeline
Edge Of Broken Heart
Complicated
The Hardes Part Is The Night
Nothing
You're Not My Lover
These Open Arms
Burn With Me
Life Is Beautiful

Song which was on the list but I erase it:
It's My Life
I know that Max Martin is credited for that one but few things make me think that that song was done in different way.
IMLife was last song which they made. Say It Isn't So was planned to be first single from "Crush". Then they recorded IMLife. Song which is very similar to "One Wild Night" which was recorded earlier and IMLife suit well to almost all songs from "Crush". So maybe Max Martin listen "Crush" and he was asked if he has something which could work on that album as a single? Maybe he made one of his demo more similar to Bon Jovi stuff and give them. Then BJ made lyrics and make this song typical for them (talk-box ecc). Jon and Richie always talk about lyrics of that song but they said very little about how they come with melody. So I think it's not typical demo which was send to many artist.

So what's your opinion about that theory. What do you think which songs could be based on songs which record company send to many artist?
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